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Skriven 2005-11-13 06:57:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av ALEX SHAKHAYLO
Ärende: United States of Europe
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-=> Quoting Alex Shakhaylo to Frank Scheidt <=-

 AS>>> What is U.S. ? Is it biblical Paradize ?!
 
 FS>> That's what many immigrants here from Europe seem to think ...
 FS>> [sigh] ...
 
 AS>> People always move there where money smell. But not all people.
 AS>> I can understand them. For the same work they can have much more
 AS>> "there" comparing to "here" and it's not their fault they was
 AS>> born "here" and it's not your achievement you was born "there".
 AS>> I think you understand that too. As for immigrants from here
 AS>> they go to US as well as they go to West Europe and Auth.
 
 FS> Ha!  I've never considered it an "achievement" on my part because
 FS> I live in the US.  I'm simply lucky, and grateful for that fact.

 AS> That's nice. You've made the first step to get rid of your
 AS> superciliousness.

Huh?  *What* superciliousness???
 
 AS>> I think you know too little about Europe to make far-reaching
 AS>> conclusions. It's a very widespread delusion to blame the things
 AS>> one cannot understand.
 
 FS> I've read enough about European history and I've read enough
 FS> international news during the past seven decades to have a good
 FS> idea as to what Europe is like.

 AS> OK. Can you list your readings ?
 
If I wanted to spend a lot of time looking up what I have read, 
yes.  However yours is merely a frivolous request so I'll not 
bother.  Besides there's no real need for me to prove anything to 
you.  I know what I know.

 FS> Besides my parents were *born*
 FS> there.  Also I took German language, literature and geography
 FS> courses at the university beginning shortly after WWII.

 AS> Presumabely it was part of the Germany that was under US control
 AS> at those times.

I don't know.  What I *do* know is that they were Jewish 
refugees.
 
 FS> The professors were German Jewish refugees who told us a lot
 FS> of how life was there in *their* cases.  So don't tell me I
 FS> don't know anything about Europe.

 AS> This is just an episode. Something like making conclusions about
 AS> US remembering only Lynch law it used to practice.

Trivial stuff!
 
 AS>> It seems you overestimate attractiveness of US for the rest
 AS>> of the world. If I was asked where would I go in case I would
 AS>> be expelled, I'd say Australia, NZ and may be Canada. But I'd
 AS>> never say "US" despite of all the benefits _you_ enjoy.
 
 FS> That's your privilege -- to choose or reject life here.  It
 FS> doesn't matter to me in the least.  I'm used to having people
 FS> make free choices after all.

 AS> Then there is no sense in talking about immigrants. They just made
 AS> their personal choice.

You don't like discussing immigrants since they are *another* bit 
of evidence testifying to the desirability of living in the U.S.  
Immigrants have *initiative* -- quite unlike the majority of 
Europeans.
 
 AS>> PS. And as for me I enjoy only my personal achievements. I cannot
 AS>> understand how one can enjoy unearned benefits.
 
 FS> You don't enjoy life itself?  Are *you* responsible for your own
 FS> birth???

 AS> I regard my life as something natural like wind and rain. But
 AS> life itself worth nothing without ones' efforts so I can't enjoy
 AS> just effortless plant existing. I rather value those opportunities
 AS> the life presents and enjoy those achievements I owned due to my
 AS> efforts. I don't value those benefits that are not earned. They
 AS> often cause groundless proud for the fakes.

Sorry that you don't realize exactly how it was you came into 
being ... [sigh] ... and *I* am not the one to explain it to you.

... E=mcý?  Very good, Albert.  But next time, show your work.

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