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Skriven 2005-11-18 13:44:36 av Roy Witt (1:1/22)
  Kommentar till text 16451 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Getting at the truth.
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18 Nov 05 12:38, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:


 MvdV> GWB said *he had proof* that there were WMD's.

He never said 'he had proof'...try again.

 MvdV> If he actually had propof, they would have been there.

If the intellegence groups of the nations involved in determining these
reports were true, they would have been there. Those are uropeon nations
we're talking about, BTW.

 MvdV> They were not there,

You don't know that they were or not.

 MvdV> ergo he lied when he said he had proof.

Your stating so in the face of the truth doesn't make it so.

 >> If one does not know their information is untrue,

 MvdV> if one does not know the information is true, presenting it as true
 MvdV> is lying.

Denial isn't a river in Eygpt.

 >> one cannot be lying, one is merely relaying what one believes
 >> to be true. Big difference.

 MvdV> If GWB's conviction of the presence of WMD's in Iraq was based on
 MvdV> belief instead of facts, he should have said so. Not saying so was
 MvdV> a lie by omission.

"The United Nations concluded that Saddam Hussein had materials sufficient
to produce more than 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin; enough to subject
millions of people to death by respiratory failure. He hasn't accounted
for that material. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed it."

If he couldn't believe your UN, then who can he believe?

(Biological and Chemical weapons are also known as WMDs.)

 >> A nice example of telling it as you believe it was the days
 >> when everyone thought the earth was flat. Many sailors of the
 >> day wouldn't venture too far out to sea because they were told
 >> that they would fall off the edges of the world.

 MvdV> The syated in view of the cost as they could not navigate in open
 MvdV> sea.

Columbus did.

 >> Were they told a lie, or were they told a falsehood that
 >> the teller believed to be true?

 MvdV> If the teller had told them he had *proof* they could fall off the
 MvdV> earth, it was a lie.

OTH, everyone during the time of Columbus actually knew the earth was a
globe and not flat. The idea that the uncouth people of the Middle Ages
thought the Earth was flat is an example of the myth that has been
propagated since the nineteenth century to give us a quite unfair view of
this period.

Yet, out of ignorance for the truth, you believed it. So, you're now in
the same category with GWB. :o)

To be enlightened with the truth, you can read a full analysis of the
different writers who have mentioned the shape of the earth in the e-book
'The Flat Earth' by 'Ethical Atheist'.

http://www.ethicalatheist.com/docs/flat_earth_myth.html


Roy
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