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Skriven 2005-11-21 07:44:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av WARD DOSSCHE
Ärende: Terrorist Groups
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-=> Quoting Ward Dossche to Frank Scheidt <=-

 >> MVDV> It also means "Rote Armee Fraction". A German terrorist Group.
 >> MVDV> AKA Baader Meinhoff Gruppe.
 
 >> OK, I've heard of that group but don't recall reading it ever
 >> designated as "RAF"
 
 > WD> How dumb can you be?
 
 > What do you mean by that?  I suppose you're not familiar with the
 > Royal Air Force ... [sigh] ...
 WD> 
 WD> Very familiar, having lived close all the time to one of the airports
 WD> which were used every autumn for operation REFORGER when we were
 WD> crowded by British and US service personnel the latter being famous for
 WD> destroying every year all the rooms and facilities (toilets, showers,
 WD> ...) which they got free to use at the airport.

Still ungrateful, I see ... [sigh] ... if you actually *were* 
familiar with the RAF then why didn't you recognize "RAF" as 
meaning Royal Air Force?
 
 WD> Someone such as you claiming to be well informed about the world news
 WD> should be able to make the link RAF --> Rote Armee Fraktion -->
 WD> Bader-Meinhoff Gruppe. They were "the" terrorists in those days, it was
 WD> world news. 

And the RAF *wasn't*?  Get real!!

 WD> But I understand how it comes. Having been in the US quite a lot ever
 WD> since 1972 I recall the international news section of the newspapers as
 WD> well as TV was rather thin if it did not exactly involve American

IOW only the *important* international news was covered ...

 WD> interests. This has changed dramatically since that one broadcast by
 WD> Peter Arnett live from Bagdad on CNN in 1991 when the city was bombed
 WD> and the Gulf War started. 

*ONE* broadcast?  He broadcast *scores* of them from BAGHDAD!

 >>> and "ETA" means Estimated Time of Arrival ... >> MVDV> Euskadi ta
 WD> Askatasuna. Meaning "Bask land and Freedom". It is
 > the
 >> MVDV> Bask liberation movement. Over 800 people were killed by their
 >> MVDV> terrorist attacks.
 
 >> I've never heard the Basque movement being given that designation
 >> either.
 
 > WD> How dumb can you be?
 
 > Explain that please ... thanx ...
 WD> 
 WD> There is the ETA which is a world reknowned group fighting for the
 WD> liberation of the Basque-homeland as a free and independant country.
 WD> This goes way back I think in the Franco-era where they were persecuted
 WD> for not having belonged to the correct ideology. In the second part of
 WD> the previous century they started using terrorism to support their
 WD> demands and that caused a heap of bodies on both sides. Magistrates
 WD> involved in trials against Basque-militants knew they would die violent
 WD> and premature. Basque-militants knew there was no mercy when they were
 WD> caught. The death-penalty survived for a long time in Spain and the
 WD> method was strangulation. 

I *knew* all that.  I asked you to explain your foolish, "How 
dumb can you be?" remark.

 WD> This has been world news for decades, Frank. Hence probably our
 WD> astonishment that you seem not to have heard of it.

I've long been familiar with the Basque movement ever since the 
days of the Spanish Revolution (during the 1930s -- you might 
want to look *that* up on the InterNet also) ...  BTW I see 
you've learned how to *spell* it not as "Bask" but as Basque ... 
heh heh heh ...
 
 WD> Same as with the IRA in Ireland there is with the modern governments
 WD> in Spain now more attention for the plight of the Basque-people and
 WD> they attempt to continue their struggle politically through the
 WD> political party 'Herri Batasuna' which means 'Unity of the People'. Its
 WD> operation is largely obstructed still though there are no links with
 WD> ETA which can be demonstrated. But because Batasuna refuses to condemn
 WD> ETA as a terrorist group they have been prevented for the duration of 3
 WD> years to take part in political life, no participation in
 WD> municipalities, nor in the parliament, nor in any type of election.
 WD> 
 WD> Batasuna (not the only party in Basque-country, mind you, and not the
 WD> largest either "but" the most prominent) in the meantime has made the
 WD> "terrorist lists" in both Spain and the US and finally also the
 WD> European-one though they cannot be linked with a single act of
 WD> terrorism. Its leadership is known and public, they are free to roam
 WD> the streets and travel without being arrested, at least in the
 WD> "Schengen"-countries. 

 WD> This, Frank, is and was world-news. A person claiming to be informed
 WD> ought to know this. More so because after the Madrid bomb-attacks the
 WD> former Spanish Prime Minister, the US lover-boy, within minutes went on
 WD> worldwide TV accusing ETA of the bombings. He was so wrong it lost him
 WD> the next elections and as a result Spanish troops were withdrawn from
 WD> Iraq ... this certainly was a headline in any US media-format.

How can I describe your post other than as mainly blather.  
Posting as "news" something we all already knew ... [sigh] ... 

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