Text 16712, 110 rader
Skriven 2005-11-21 22:57:00 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 16657 av Raymond Yates (1:3613/48)
Ärende: Collateral Damage
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Hello Raymond,

 MV>>>> The satellites will already have spotted the places of unusual
 MV>>>> acitivity.

 >>> Unless it looks innocuous. Absent "Ground Truth," buildings
 >>> look like...buildings.

 MV>> U=In the middle of desert nowhere? One day the building is there and
 MV>> the next day it is gone? Does that look innocuous?

 > Only if it's gone. Suppose it's just deserted. there slot of
 > building like that i Ira, I have seen the overhead photos

First you say: bury it in the dessert, now you say empty buildings. You can't
have it both.

If the building still stands, there will be traces of its former use.

 >>> Have you read the reports?

 MV>> Not all of it. Just the summaries actually.

 > Read the reoprts from the troops that found it,

I don't think I want to waste my precious time on that.

 > when the test-strips tested positve for nerve agents, the
 > inspectrs calimed otherwise, but the test strips were
 > double-checked. Insectisides are nerve agents, some of them..

Insecticides are in wide spread use all over the world. Most of the time they
are used just for that: to control insects.

 >>>>> within the last few weeks In a nutshell it quoted the Duelfer
 >>>>> an Kay reports, and delineated the items that /were/ found,
 >>>>> including parts of nuclear enrichment centrifuges,

 MV>>>> Them aluminium tubes again. Debunked long ago.

 >>> And later verified /by testing/ that they were more then
 >>> suitable for centrifuges, by an outside nuclear agency. In France.

 MV>> You'r clutching at straws....

 > Not me, I just report facts.

You are as you say "cherry picking". The IAEA reported that there was no
nuclear programme in Iraq.

 > I'm not advocating anything, just saying what's out there.

What you think is out there. The "official" reports do not confirm it.

 MV>>>> Every "precursor" for pesticides is also a "precursor' for
 MV>>>> chemical weapons. Steel for a plow is steel for a sword.

 >>> Exactly !

 MV>> So presence of steel is not proof of presence of a sword.

 > True, but.. when you have a bunker full of "pesticide" placed
 > next to rocktes capapble of carrying liquid agents,

I don't know where you got that information. Iraq was not allowed to have
rockets with a range over 800 km. All the reports confirm that he had no long
range rockets.

 > a conclusion could be drawn..

It could be the wrong conclusion. There can be many an innocent explanation.

 > "pesticide" does not require it be kept in bombproofs.

You don't want to leave it lying around where children can play with it either.
Even if it is just what it says it is: pesticide, you want to store it behind
locked doors. Maybe the bomb shelter just happened to be available.

 MV>> It looks like we are looking at this from totally different sides. You
 MV>> seem to believe or at least to have believed at some time the WMD's
 MV>> existed during or shortly before the invasion.

 > Based on the troops that had come down with Gulf War Syndrome
 > after sestroyting munitions in GUlf One, of course.

Easily attributed to "friendly fire" with depleted uranium ammo...

 MV>> I and many, if not most people this side of the pond on the other
 MV>> hand never believed they were there in the first place.

 > The where did they all go?

There is no need to explain the disappereance of what was not there to begin
with.

Whatever was left of the pre gulf war I period was destroyed in 1991 or shortly
after under supervison of the UN inspectors.

Hans Blix found nothing.
Saddam did not use WMD's when he still could if he had them.
The US army found nothing.
The US weapon inspectors found nothing

Ockham's razor tells me there was nothing.


Cheers, Michiel

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