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Skriven 2005-11-24 11:53:00 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 16753 av Raymond Yates (1:3613/48)
Ärende: Collateral Damage
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Hello Raymond,

 >>>>> Not here, it's not a lie if you don't know it as a lie at the
 >>>>> time you made the statement.

 MV>>>> That may go for ordinary citizens. Leaders have far less leaway
 MV>>>> in that respect. At least here.

 >>> Interesting. Here, Law applies to all.

 MV>> Same here. But this isn't a matter of law, this is a matter of trust.
 MV>> The law can not regulate trust.

 > But it impacts it, doesn't it? We trust our leaders to ovey the laws?

Trust is good. Checking is better....

 >>> Possibly, he did. possibly that was equally cherry-picked and
 >>> slanted?

 MV>> Again I have difficulty believing that if that happened GWB failed to
 MV>> notice.

 MV>> Much more likely is that *he himself* did the cherry picking or
 MV>> ordered his subordinates to do so.

 > That's, to me more doubtful than my suggestion.

To me it is not. To me - and to most analists here - it looks like GWB wanted
this war and he needed something to justify it. he justified it by
manufacturing the threat of the WMD's.

 > Usually the Intel agencies write three Presidential Briefs.
 > One optimistic, one pessimistic,and one in the middle. it's
 > up the the briefer (like the head of the Cia) to shoose the
 > one he presents.

And knowing this, what if the presedent aks to see all three reports?

 > however, there's always a miniority view. So,
 > if he decides from  slanted information...

Then he ignored the information in the other two reports. You think that makes
it look any better?

 >>> Further perhaps he would choose not to annone thatfact, but
 >>> deal with it quietly, so as not cause the Pubulc to lose total
 >>> faith in their Intelligence syatem?

 MV>> Silence does not make it any better. Bushes polpularity is at
 MV>> an all time low.

 > And it's not important in the long personal run, he's in his
 > final term.

It impacts on how thet world looks at the US and their way of doing things.

 >>> They were showm proo as well, that's what the Intelligence
 >>> Oversight Committee is all about, and the present a sanitized
 >>> report to Congress.

 MV>> If they saw the same stuff that was presented by Colin Powel at
 MV>> the UN and accepted it as proof....

 > Probably a lot more information than that..

The "proof" that Powell presented at the UN was totally unconvincing. If more
convincing evidence was available and presented to congress, why wasn't that
same evidence use to convinve the UN?


 MV>> So you are familiar with the principle of "the boss is responsible".

 > Oh sure, I never denied that..

So why aren't the US citizens screaming for GWB's resignation? They would
here...


Cheers, Michiel

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