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Skriven 2005-11-29 09:22:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av JOE DELAHAYE
Ärende: Copyright
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-=> Quoting Joe Delahaye to Frank Scheidt <=-
    
 > The telephone was invented by an American as was the electric
 > light, though maybe not the glass *bulb* itself.  I don't
 > know.   Photography *was* invented by a Frenchman, so
 > they're not *completely* useless after all!

 JD> The telephone was invented by Alexander Graham Bell, who was not an
 JD> American.  He was a Canadian who lived in Brantford Ontario, where the
 JD> telephone was originally conceived.  That it achieved fruitation in
 JD> the US is incidental.

Alexander Graham Bell is so closely *associated* with America he 
might as well have been one.  Oddly enough, I've *been* in 
Brantford -- didn't use a telephone there, though ...
 
 >  WD> electricity,
 >
 > Huh? Europeans invented *electricity*?  Hmmmmmm, all the while I
 > thought that was a natural phenomenon, with the most dramatic
 > example being lightning.  Did Europeans invent storm clouds?

 JD> Pehaps you might consider 'electricity' in its present form, as such
 JD> an invention.  

Huh?  "Modern" electricity is different than, say, electricity in 
the past century?  Please explain.

 JD> Also, consider that the Niagara Falls project was
 JD> originally conceived by a European, and if I remember correctly,
 JD> engineered by him.

But Niagara Falls are in the U.S.  Surely there are waterfalls in 
Europe which could power turbines ... aren't there?
 
 >  WD> the relativity theory,
 >
 > Oh yes, and Europeans, in effect, drove Albert Einstein *out* of
 > Europe!!  They must have been mighty proud of that "invention"
 > ... heh heh heh ...

 JD> No, Einstein correctly saw what was going on in his native Germany,
 JD> and decided discretion was the better part of valour.
 
That's what is meant by "in effect", above ... [sigh] ...

 > We *are* grateful that Europeans also prosecuted the nuclear
 > physicists whom we welcomed here in the land of *freedom*!
 >
 >  WD> radiation therapy, the Nobel Prizes,
 >
 > That was as a result of Alfred Nobel's guilty conscience for
 > "inventing" war-time explosives.

 JD> Actually, like many other scientists who invented things for the
 JD> common good, he was aghast with what the military had done with his
 JD> invention.  So, yes, you are partially correct.

Almost *entirely* correct in this context. 
 >  WD> ...
 > You do that!  Americans have invented a disproportionately large
 > number of *important* modern inventions which I'll not bother
 > listing since I'm sure you know about them already.

 JD> And most of those 'Americans' were European immigrants.  

Does that prevent them from being *Americans*????  Are you going 
limit "true" American inventions to those dreamed up by 
*Indians*??

 JD> And,
 JD> sometimes inventions were made in both sides of the water, at about
 JD> the same time.  A lot of times, as well, things on the wrong side of
 JD> the water were ignored by the American side of the water, as being
 JD> insignificant, and of course the local boys should have the credit, to
 JD> hell with the rest of the riff raff.  Sounds like the Soviet Union in
 JD> days gone by, claiming to have invented everything.

Hardly.  In fact I was think that very thing about the European 
tendency to making such wild claims about inventions -- reminds 
one of the old Soviet Union where everything on earth was 
invented ... heh heh heh ...

... "Speaking as a man in the street ... AAAUUUGGGHHH!" ÄÄ Monty Python

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