Text 1744, 100 rader
Skriven 2004-11-11 11:47:13 av Jack Yates (1:3613/1275)
     Kommentar till en text av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Science 1/2
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 >>  MvV> Do you wish to add further comment or can I take it

 >> Actually, I will agree that the moderatorship should be
 >> passed to the FidoNews editor.

 MV> By which you are saying that you do not presently recognise the
 MV> FidoNews editor as moderator.

 >> However, I also would hope that the echolist would
 >> be used as well. (Only to satisfy the International
 >> nature of the echo.) Not required, but not a bad idea.

 MV> Why? Why must an international echo be subject to a Z1 tradition? If
 MV> so, why should Z2 users of a Z1 echo be denied the protection of EP1?
 MV> (as is a Z2 tradition) Or this another one of those one way streets?

ISTR that you were one of the first, if not *the* first to insist that the "way
it's done" in Z1 does not apply to this echo and only EP1 carries any weight
here.  A two-way street would be lovely, but you have not supported that idea
in the past.

On the rare occasion that I chose to act in the capacity of Moderator, you were
the first to exhibit defiance.  While those on my side of the pond who were
involved in the discussion that had gotten out of hand netmailed me and said
that they would cease, and for the most part did so, while you did not.

Seems to me that it's you that doesn't want the two-way street.


 >> It would certainly stay any weird attempts to hijack the echo.

 MV> If everyone were to do what you preach: respect other zones rules and
 MV> traditions, there would be no way the fidonews echo could be hijacked.
 MV> The moderator of the FidoNews echo is the Fidonews editor who
 MV> presently resides in Z2.

..who moderates not at all, hence this condition of chaos within the echo.


 MV> But Jack Yates did not respect that:

He doesn't have to; Jack Yates saw the possibility that the Z1 backbones might
not continue distribution of this echo and so listed it in the manner that is
expected by the echolist.

 MV> he listed the echo in his name.
 MV> The echolist keeper did not respect that: he allowed this unaccuracy
 MV> to enter the database. You did not respect it; you say Jack Yates is
 MV> the rightfull moderator of this echo as he is listed as such.

 >> I would hope that Jack Yates would pass that along.
 >> However, I believe there are circumstances that do need
 >> to be answered that I do not know of.

 MV> Then you have not been paying attention. It was all in the open at the
 MV> time. Also most of the answers were already in my message.

 >> Did the prvious FidoNews Editor give moderatorship to Jack?

 MV> No. (The answer to that was in my message)

 MV> Frank Vest - the previous editor - handed over both the snooze and the
 MV> echo to Björn Felten.

 MV> Björn - having been given the password by Frank - then attempted to
 MV> update the listing and ran into almost the same problem as I did. The
 MV> echolist keeper refused to process a record with "editors emeriti" as
 MV> second moderator.

 MV> After some debate Björn decided to excert his right of "choice" to
 MV> make no further use of the services of the echolist.

 MV> The listing expired and Jack Yates grabbed it.

 MV> And so you recognise Jack as moderator of this echo...

 MV> Which illustrates this so called "choice" to use or not use the
 MV> echolist is a joke. A moderator is as free not to use the services of
 MV> the echolist as a fish is free to leave the water. Not using the
 MV> echolist is de facto giving up moderatorship in the eyes of the Z1
 MV> community.

 >> However, I also belive that the FidoNews Editor's position
 >> should be an elected position with a set term of office.

 MV> How about elections for the echolist keeper?

The echolist is not exclusive to Fidonet and is not a part of Fidonet; as such
cannot be "governed" by Fidonet.

Frankly, I don't care who's in charge of the Elist, if an echo is dropped, I'm
not going to distribute it.  Fidonews was dropped so I relisted it.

Live with it.



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