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Skriven 2005-12-08 05:05:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av MICHIEL VAN DER VLIST
Ärende: [2/2] Sociopaths!
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-=> Quoting Michiel Van Der Vlist to Frank Scheidt <=-

 MVDV>>> Mohammed Atta had the certainty that he would not survive.
 MVDV>>> Does that make him a super here now?
 >
 >> He was insane!

 MVDV>> All hereos are. No sane person would willingly and knowingly
 MVDV>> choose to become a hero.
 
 > False!  A hero is one who risks his own life for the common good.

 MVDV> Isn't that what Mohammed Atta did? Sacifice his life for the common
 MVDV> good? In hisperception of "common good" of course.

No.  He did *not* give his life for the common good.  He gave his 
life based on some insane misconception.  Consider all the Arabs 
who have been killed as a result of his "sacrifice".  Are those 
deaths part of his "common good"?
 
 > A hero is *not* one who deliberately slaughters 3,000 for no
 > valid reason!

 MVDV> Then neither is one who slaughters 300.000.
 
OK, so?   BTW what is the slaughter involving the 300,000?

 >>> They were collateral damage -- unlucky to be in the wrong
 >>> place at the wrong time!

 MVDV>>> Then so were the people in the twin towers.
 >
 >> Not so.  We weren't at war with Saudi Arabia.

 MVDV>> The Atta gang was at war with the US though....
 
 > So why didn't they *declare* war, *then* attack?

 MVDV> Formally declaring war seems to have become out of fashion. The US led
 MVDV> the way in that. Korea: no formal declaration of war. Vietnam: no
 MVDV> formal declaration of war. Guatemale: no formal declaration of war.
 MVDV> Afghanistan: no formal declaration of war. Iraq: no formal declaration
 MVDV> of war. 

You've got that nearly correct.  The Korean thing was a UN Police 
Action ... it had nothing to do with any needed declaration of 
war by the U.S.  Vietnam was not really a war.  Lyndon Johnson 
merely sent hundreds-of-thousands of American soldiers to help 
South Vietnam -- a *big* mistake!  Guatemala?  What's *that* one 
about?  As for Afghanistan I have no idea why the Congress didn't 
declare war on Afghanistan -- or Iraq.

 MVDV> These days one just flies towards the target an drops the bombs.
 MVDV> That's what atta did.
 
The actions of a madman can seldom be explained ... [sigh] ...

 > That's the civilized way to wage war.

 MVDV> The concept of civilised war was abandoned with the inception of fire
 MVDV> arms. when one did not have to come close enough to the enemy to look
 MVDV> him in the face in order to fight with him.

That's certainly *one* definition.

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