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Skriven 2005-12-14 03:10:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av MICHIEL VAN DER VLIST
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-=> Quoting Michiel Van Der Vlist to Frank Scheidt <=-

 MVDV>>> Give it up Frank. There were no WMD's in Irag. Your government
 MVDV>>> fooled you.
 >
 >> Not so.  The fact of the matter is that WMDs weren't *found* in Iraq.

 MVDV>> And the reason they were not found is that they were not
 MVDV>> there to begin with.
 
 > You cannot know that.

 MVDV> Everything points to it.

Not *everything*, just evidence *you* want to consider ...
 
 > All you can be *certain* of is that they haven't been found.

 MVDV> Not even that... Someone may have found some and kept his mouth
 MVDV> shut.... 

True enough ... even now some might be in the hands of the 
insurgents murdering fellow Iraqis and American troops.

 >> Were they moved to Syria?  Who knows?  Were they moved
 >> to Iran?  Who knows?

 MVDV>> Frank, this is getting ridiculous. No one outside the US still
 MVDV>> believes there were WMD's. Hans Blix said so, GWB's weapon inspectors
 MVDV>> say so, Ockham's razor says so.
 
 > But that's largely because you *want* to believe that.

 MVDV> It is the other way around. You can not believe that your president
 MVDV> lied to you. And so you keep coming up with these incredible scenarios.
 
The reason I believe GWB did *not* lie to us is because *I* know 
what the word "lie" means and I know GWB had a lot of evidence 
(from five different nations) that WMDs *did* exist in Iraq prior 
to our invasion.  The really *scary* thing is this:  Where are 
they?  What happened to them?
 
 >> The evidence GWB had at the time showed Saddam
 >> Hussein was a threat and that he *had* WMDs at the time.

 MVDV>> GWB had no evidence. He lied when he said he had proof.
 
 > He didn't lie.  The intelligence services of *five* nations
 > indicated the presence of WMDs in Iraq.

 MVDV> Name them.

Gladly, (1)  The US of course, (2) The United Kingdom, (3) 
Russia, (4) Egypt, and (5) Jordan.  Were they *all* liars?!?!?

 MVDV>> If he really had proof, why was it never published?
 
 > Ask him.  I'm not in the inner loop her ...

 MVDV> Can't you see it? No one likes to go down in history as a liar. And
 MVDV> that is what WILL happen unless he comes up with some *real* proof that
 MVDV> there were WMD's in Iraq shortly before the invasion.

GWB's administration has three years to go.  That's plenty of 
time to neaten things out and present the evidence to the 
American people.

 MVDV> If he really had proof, he would have shown enough of it to convince
 MVDV> the rest of the world. He didn't. Ergo conclusio, he lied when he said
 MVDV> he had proof. 

Since your premise is false your "Ergo" vanishes ...

 MVDV> Face it Frank, you were led to believe there were WMD's in Iraq
 MVDV> because your president thought that was needed to get the support of
 MVDV> the US people for the invasion.
 
Actually only GWB knows what he "thought".  I wouldn't pretend to 
know.

 >> Where they are *now* is a good question.  Bush wisely made a
 >> preemptive strike to defend us.

 MVDV>> Bush made a grave mistake. He will go down in history as a war monger,
 MVDV>> a liar and the leader who initiated the fall of the US empire.
 
 > I wonder what you'll be saying, say five or ten years from now

 MVDV> Probably the same; using the past tense...

I'll wait ...

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