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Skriven 2005-12-14 17:13:00 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 18646 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
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 MVDV>>> Of course not. Trolls never admit to trolling.
 >
 >> So if I deny that you will say, "Trolls always deny it" ...

 MVDV>> No, I will say: "Trolls never admit that trolls never admit to
 MVDV>> trolling". ;-)

 > So I won't bother denying it -- even though I'm not trolling ...

So you deny you are trolling but do not deny that trolls never admit that
trolls never admit to trolling.

Interesting...

 >> [sigh] ... My objective here is to inform you and to help you
 >> to think straight.

 MVDV>> I do not need help to think straight. I have had that ability for
 MVDV>> about... 55 years I'd say.

 > Oh to be so young again ... [sigh] ... I still faintly
 > remember those years ...

Now there is a reason for envy isn't there?

 MVDV>> It is carrying coal to Newcastle.

 > But Newcastle, Indiana, *needs* coal ...

I was of couse refering to the "Newcastle" ,eamt is the saying: the one in the
UK.

 >> Is it an *impossible* goal?

 MVDV>> No more than making a difference when carrying coal to Newcastle..

 > Indiana?

UK.

 >> Sure ... so?  That's nothing like the victory we have won as
 >> well as the one now in progress.

 MVDV>> What victory?
 >
 > I thought we were discussing Iraq ...

We were.

 MVDV>> You are not an objective observer.

 > I thought we had finally settled that I *am* ...

That shows you do not always think straight. We obviously have NOT settled
that.

 >>> I think the estimate is that they *are* mostly foreign

 MVDV>>> There are no facts to support that theory.
 >
 >> I'm not aware of how they came to that conclusion.  I'm simply
 >> reporting their conclusions.

 MVDV>> IOW, you accept their words for gospel without checking the facts.

 > Not "for gospel", but until I have reason to suspect otherwise
 > I'll accept what they say

Then you have not thought it through very well. (Contrary to what you claim you
always do before writing something down) There are many reasons to suspect
otherwise.

 > ... I even accept what *you* say, aside from some of your
 > foolish statements which I know to be false.

IOW you do NOT accept what I say, except when it matches your preconceived
notions.

 MVDV>>> I would not be too sure about that.
 >
 >> You always want evidence.

 MVDV>> Can't help it, it is in my nature. And the more it conflicts with what
 MVDV>> I already know, the stronger the evidence required.

 > Good!  You're learning ...

I already learned that .. eh .. 55 years ago.

 >> OK, here's some:  Yesterday a group of Iraqis *captured* an
 >> Iraqi terrorist-leader and delivered him to the American troops.
 >> That shows the Iraqi citizens are finally beginning to *act*
 >> like free men.

 MVDV>> One swallow does not a summer make. And why did they hand him over?
 MVDV>> Why was he not tried by the Iraqis themselves?

 > I have no idea ... as for that "swallow" saying, in every
 > summer there has to be the *first* swallow seen ...

True. And in when the first has been seen, we know with near certainty that
more will follow. And that is where the analogy ends. The incident you mention
may just as well be the first /and/ the last of its kind.

 MVDV>> Besides the idea that there is such a thing as "the Iraqi
 MVDV>> people" is a fallacy. There are at least three people in
 MVDV>> Iraq; The Kurds, the Sunnites and the Sjiites (sp?).

 > We are forming those disparate groups into one nation!

Doesn't look like you are getting anywhere...

 > After all, the U.S. itself consists of Christians, Jews, Muslims
 > (both Sunni and Shiite) as well as other religions.  We seem to be
 > able to act in a civilized manner toward each other ... usually ...

That old mistake again. Thinking that what works for the US ahould work
everywhere. Iraq is not the US...

 MVDV>> These three do not get along well, to use an euphemism.

 > They *do* have some slight "disagreements" to euphemize myself.

Indeed what a euphemism!

 >> Even the insurgents now have a type of freedom.

 MVDV>> Great!

 > You approve of those murdering insurgents killing their fellow
 > Arabs?   Most of their victims are Arabs, you know.

Can't you recognise sarcasm when you see it?

 >> It says we've taken a terrible situation and made it *less* terrible.

 MVDV>> Doesn't look like it....

 > I think it does to the Iraqis who are beginning to admire us.

Admire you for what? For having the electricity on for only a couple of hours a
day? For not having claen water to drink? For all these suicide attacks?

Cheers, Michiel

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