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Skriven 2004-11-17 09:57:23 av Roy Witt (1:10/22)
   Kommentar till text 1903 av Björn Felten (2:203/2)
Ärende: Science 1/2
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17 Nov 04 12:59, Björn Felten wrote to Robert Couture:


 RC>> It is why I wanted to hear all sides.

 BF>    I'm sorry for the late reply, but The Real World caught up on me
 BF> lately. :)

 BF>    The reason I gave up trying to maintain the e-listing of this
 BF> echo, was that I realized that Thom manually rejected my attempts. To
 BF> make a long story short, it all boiles down to the reply below from
 BF> Thom (which will also give you an idea of what time period you have
 BF> to search this echo in order to get the full story).

Of course, it has nothing to do with your attempt to list that which isn't
the real world of the listing. Editors Emeritis indicates a plural and
would also mean all those former moderators (actually, not all Editors
were moderators of this echo) who are no longer in Fidonet and have no
means of recieving or replying to these communications.

 BF>    All I wanted, was to have Editors Emiriti @ 2:2/2 in the listing,
 BF> but even though I assured Thom, that mail to any of the remaining
 BF> editors (Warren and Frank) would be properly forwarded to them from
 BF> 2:2/2, just as mail to any reporter on your local newspaper would be
 BF> forwarded if you mail them on the newspaper address rather than on
 BF> their home address, that obviously wasn't good enough for our
 BF> echolist God.

I can't believe, well maybe I can, that you're so dense as to list the
echo that way when the Elist FAQ is so clear in this matter. Perhaps in
your attempt to read the document, your English comprehension wasn't as
good as you think it is.


Ä FIDONEWS (1:10/22) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ FIDONEWS Ä
 Msg  : #3877 [3318] +3895                  Snt
 From : Björn Felten                        2:203/208 11 Feb 04 00:09:45
 To   : Jack Yates                                    10 Feb 04 19:01:04
 Subj : Priorities
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
@CHRS: IBMPC 2
@MSGID: 2:203/208 00177C3D
@REPLY: 1:3613/1275 4028685f
@PID: TCL Y2K

 JY> tenure; as a sequel to the discussion it appeared that the editor not
 JY> only neglected but staidfastly refused to elist the echo, making
 JY> remarks that he had no intention to honor our Elist.

   So that's how the words went?

   The fact is, at first I honoured all those Z1 readers, that expressed
fear that the distribution of this echo would be in jeopardy if I didn't.
But when later I tried to update the elisting, the elist-Führer didn't
like what I had in mind, so he manually prevented my updates. No technical
problems, mind you,  purely a matter of the Führer's dislike for my idea
about having all the former editors as comoderators.

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 + Origin: Fidonews Editor (2:203/208)
SEEN+BY: 10/3 22 105/360 106/1 2000 116/35 123/500 124/5025 140/1 167/133
SEEN+BY: 170/500 201/505 226/600 229/1 249/116 278/217 379/1 5 45 1200
SEEN+BY: 396/17 45 65 550/5012 633/267 2404/201 3634/12 3800/1
@PATH: 203/208 0 20/11 106/1 2000 396/45 379/1


Note, you said: "all the former editors as comoderators."


Ä FIDONEWS (1:10/22) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ FIDONEWS Ä
 Msg  : #3946 [3318] +4026                  Snt
 From : Björn Felten                        2:203/208 11 Feb 04 17:53:31
 To   : Jack Yates                                    11 Feb 04 17:36:14
 Subj : Priorities
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
@CHRS: IBMPC 2
@MSGID: 2:203/208 00177C60
@REPLY: 1:3613/1275 4029ae56
@PID: TCL Y2K

 JY> Not having seen your submissions it would be inappropriate of me to
 JY> comment on them,

   No problem, here you have it so you can comment on it (forgive me for
the Swedish text in the header, I think you understand it anyway):

Från: "Björn Felten" <bfelten@telia.com>
Till: <elistin@fido261.qis.net>
Ämne: MOD UPD
Datum: den 14 september 2002 02:22

FROM bfelten@telia.com
TAG FIDONEWS
TITL The Fidonews Echo
DESC Discuss articles published in the Fidonews.
ORIG 2:2/2
MOD Fidonews Editor, 2:2/2
COMOD Editors Emiriti, 2:2/2
REST /REAL names only
PASS Pulitzer
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 JY> but I'm wondering that you didn't modify them to the
 JY> accepted standards to get the echo properly listed.

   As you must be able to see, this had nothing to do with "accepted
standards", since it was totally in accordance with what the elist program
required. This was 100% something that the elist-Führer was doing all by
himself. It may interest you what the following "discussion" ended up with
(the strange quoting is entirely the fault of the editor that the
elist-Führer used):

> If the phrase Editors Emiriti refers to previous editors, it's
> highly unlikely that they all can be reached at 2:2/2

 bt>    Unlikely or not, surely that would be up to the moderator?

Nope...sorry

cya,
thom


 JY> No matter; it's elisted and so will be carried in Z1..

   You mean if it's not elisted, it will not be carried in Z1? Many have
asked that question and many have categorically denied that this is true.
What's your opinion on the matter?

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 + Origin: Fidonews Editor (2:203/208)
SEEN+BY: 10/3 22 105/360 106/1 2000 116/35 123/500 124/5025 140/1 167/133
SEEN+BY: 170/500 201/505 226/600 229/1 249/116 278/217 379/1 5 45 1200
SEEN+BY: 396/17 45 65 550/5012 633/267 2404/201 3634/12 3800/1
@PATH: 203/208 0 20/11 106/1 2000 396/45 379/1


Contrary to what you claim, the listing sent to the EK is in error, per
the "Accepted Standards" as claimed.

[quote Elist.FAQ]

IDENTIFICATION OF MODERATOR
    All moderator entries in the Echolist database MUST include, as a
    minimum, the name of the moderator and either a Fido Style address
    and/or an email address.  The moderator name can be a person's
    name, or in "official" echoes, the position name of the moderator
    (examples: Echolist Keeper, RC13).

    Terms such as Trustee, Custodian, Emeritus, etc. are not proper
    names, and therefore can not be listed in the moderator dataline.
    These descriptions may be used in a DESC line.

[unquote Elist.FAQ]

Note the word "MUST", which is in all caps to indicate mandatory.

Also note that your listing effort didn't include the name of the
moderator. Nowhere is there documentation where the FIDONEWS echo is
listed as an "official" echo, thus requiring the moderators name, rather
than title.

Furthermore, your listing is in error merely by the inclusion of 'COMOD',
as that term is not recognized by the software. Not to mention the error
where you call the COMOD - Editors Emeriti, as mentioned in the 2nd
paragraph above.

How hard is it for you to fathom the last sentence where you can list past
editors to your hearts content in the DESC lines of the listing?

To compensate for your lack of understanding (see current listing where
Jack Yates is now listed as moderator), the former Editor, Frank Vest,
listed the echo for you when you refused to do so.

FIDONEWS
     The Fidonews Echo
           This echo is in holding for the Fidonews Editor if s/he
          decides that s/he wants to update the listing. The current
          Editor has the password but has given no indication of desire
          to update the elisting.
          Status: Active
     Origin:       1:124/6308                        Group: none
     Distribution: none
     Gateways:     None
     Language:     English
     # Nodes: N/A          Volume: 25/mo        Rules: FIDONEWS.RUL
     Flags: <Real Names Only> [Has Rules]
     Notes: /REAL
     Moderators:   Bj"rn Felten, 2:203/208
                   Frank Vest, 1:124/6308.1
     Last changed: 15-Feb-2002 by Frank Vest , 1:261/1551,
                                                     flv@sbcglobal.net


Since you had no desire to update the listing, and you now claim it was
all the fault of Thom not allowing your listing, I contend that your
intent was, at some time in the future, to pick a fight with the Elist
Keeper and nothing more. It seems that this is now the case.



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