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Skriven 2005-12-19 11:48:03 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 19080 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
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 MVDV>> Everyone who has nuclear weapons has the intention of using them when
 MVDV>> in their opinion the circumstances warrant it.

 > Yes, and that's *exactly* why the Iranians cannot be permitted
 > to have them.

That goes for everyone else who has them. Including the US.

 MVDV>> When I get killed by an Israeli or American nuke I am just as
 MVDV>> dead as when I get killed by an Iranian nuke.

 > True enough, however it's highly unlikely America or Israel
 > will *ever* nuke the Netherlands.  Do you think Iran has any
 > such compunctions?

What compunctions do the US have? After the "The Hague invasion act" I am not
at all sure the US will never attack The Netjerlands. Iran OTOH, has never
uttered threats against he Netherlands.

Don't get mw wrong, I am not enthousiastic about Iran's nuclear ambitions at
all. But I can understand why they want it and I still say it is hypocritical
to deny others what you consider essential for yourself.


 MVDV>> So why should I accept the one having it and not the other?

 > See above ...

Not good enough. Have your congress repeal the "The Hague invasion act" and we
can discuss it again.

 >> Fortunately, there are more intelligent and critical people
 >> making decisions for you

 MVDV>> I resent to ANYONE making decisions for me.

 MVDV>> And unfortunately the people making the decisions are NOT more
 MVDV>> intelligent and critical.

 > You don't know that ...

Yes, I do. The fiasci in Iraq and Afghanistan show it.

 MVDV>> Don't you realise that the main reason Iran (and others) want a
 MVDV>> nuclear weapon is that they feel threatened by those who have them?

 > Ha!  No one threatens them.  Do the Israelis (who are probably
 > their greatest enemies) ever say, "Let's wipe Iran from the
 > face of the earth"??

They bombed them several times over in the last 30 years. Yes, of course Israel
has thratened Iran.

 MVDV>> Same for North Vietnam.

I meant of course North Korea.

 MVDV>> Did you miss that they only restarted their nuclear weapons
 MVDV>> programme after George Bush included them in the "axis
 MVDV>> of evil". They felt threatened and felt the need to
 MVDV>> defend themselves?

 > Funny stuff.  The dictator of North Korea is a true nut case.
 > *Nothing* he does is likely based on reality.

Isn't it? Didn't the president of the US not drop the "no first strike" rule at
the same time. Didn't he also say that the US could perform two invasions at
the same time? I can see that from their POV the US posed a serious threat to
them. Nut case or mot.

Cheers, Michiel

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