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Skriven 2005-12-21 17:18:35 av Roy Witt (1:1/22)
  Kommentar till text 19530 av Carol Shenkenberger (6:757/1)
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21 Dec 05 12:20, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Roy Witt:

 CS> *** Quoting Roy Witt from a message to Carol Shenkenberger ***

 RW>> 20 Dec 05 12:28, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Bj*rn Felten:

 CS>> I dont know all the rules by a long shot, but know enough of them to
 CS>> be able to select things they can both eat without being made
 CS>> uncomfortable and neither of them are of the 'strictest sort' (where
 CS>> I couldnt make them a meal because i'm not of the same faith).

 RW>> You don't need to be of their faith to figure out their dietary
 RW>> needs. it has hooves and chews a cud, it's edible. If seafood has
 RW>> fins and scales, it's edible. If a bird has talons and a hooked
 RW>> bill, it's not edible. If the bird has a gizzard, it's edible. Of
 RW>> course, anything in way of vegatable, fruit and nuts are also
 RW>> welcome. Ask them if this is their guideline and you'll find that
 RW>> it's closer than guess work.

 CS> Thats a little too simplistic though for real use in the kitchen ;-)
 CS> I certainly like most folks knew that level already.

The simpler the better, I would think. They're both of a faith that uses
the old testiment dietary rules.

Wikipedia says this about 'kosher';

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The clean animals are listed in the book of Leviticus in the Torah. Many
animals in the passage that are clean have the characteristic of having
divided hoofs and also chew their cud for it to be regurgitated. In the
case in fish, scales and fins are present. If they do not have either one
of them, they can be considered as an unclean animal. The division is
largely used as the basis for identifying taboo meat proscribed by
religious dietary laws, which in Judaism are known as kashrut and in Islam
as halaal.

 CS> It's the finer points of the 'go with' that can be confusing.  Just
 CS> adding geletin to something can be a problem (gotta know what it came
 CS> from). Look,

Yeup, horse hooves.

 CS>  they are neither of them *that* strict because they have to eat Navy
 CS> food on a ship, but at home they keep as close as reasonable so it's
 CS> alot stricter than just having chow together when underway in the CPO
 CS> mess.

Look, I use their same diet guidlines in what I eat. I don't eat much
meat, but if and when I do, it's gotta be kosher. That pisses Nancy off,
because she likes pork chops every once in a while. Some people are so
restrictive in their kosher diet, they won't eat kosher food that has even
been touched by hands that have handled unclean meat. I won't either if I
know about it.

 CS> You can get 'kosher/halal' beef here.  Pricey but out in town, yes,
 CS> it can be done and they both agree that it's 'good enough' for their
 CS> purposes. Squid is out though <g>.

All kosher means is that it hasn't been tainted by unclean foods. The
touch thing I mention above. And squid is definately out. What gets me is
that here in Texas, they wrap a piece of sow belly around a Filet Mignon
and cook it. How to ruin a good piece of meat in my cook book.

 CS> By using almost completely 'scratch cooking' it's easy to make them
 CS> both something even though I chicken out and normally just do a
 CS> vegetarian dish without using anything but dried/fresh spices (no
 CS> pre-mixes like gravies etc).  Since i tend to cook pretty close to
 CS> that anyways, it's no trial for me.

I'll bet you could get away with a good dish of spaghetti as long as you
don't use marinara or meat sauce. Just remember, if your cooking utinsels
aren't kosher (cutting implements and machines), then your food isn't
kosher either. If it is to be considered kosher food, it must be prepared
with kosher equipment.

 CS> The one thing I dont fix them is Pancit.  The reason is the
 CS> seasonings are 'not allowed' as they use fish types that arent
 CS> acceptable rendered into patis or shoyu (soy sauce) unless you can
 CS> find the 'kosher' type to be sure of it.  I do it that way or with a
 CS> pre-mix that has a beef based gelatin as a portion of the ingredient
 CS> list.  It's something the muslim fellow will eat on the ship (he
 CS> travels with us sometimes as he's an inspector/trainer) but then he
 CS> cant be as careful there or he'd starve!  I just have no reasonable
 CS> way to adapt it so I dont bother and warned'em both of that ;-). It's
 CS> not a big problem since i'll add something else to the fairly
 CS> frequent potlucks that they both can eat.

Sounds like you do the best you can, under the circumstances. When I first
started eating like this, some 35 years ago, it was tough to conform to
it, but over the years, it becomes second nature to be picky in what you
eat.


Roy
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