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Skriven 2005-12-29 11:30:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av CAROL SHENKENBERGER
Ärende: Lack of Gratitude
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-=> Quoting Carol Shenkenberger to Michiel Van Der Vlist <=-

 > That or misguided.
 
 MvdV> He is now responding to you too. I'll let you judge for yourself...

 CS> So far he's been polite with me.  A little frustrated, but polite ;-)

If that's *me* you refer to, I'm not frustrated at all.  
Furthermore I respond to people in the same way they respond to 
me.  You have been reasonable, hence *I* am reasonable.  
 
 > All I know is he's upsetting folks more than even Roy
 
 MvdV> He is different. Contrary to Roy he avoids the ad hominem.

 CS> That is true.
 
 MvdV> Yes, I noticed. And I suppose you noticed the swipe about "just a radi
 MvdV> operator who lets  other does the dirty work"....

I know *that*, at least, doesn't refer to me, as I don't recall 
having made any remarks about some "radio operator" ...
                        ... [snip] ...
 CS> Smile, no point in it.  History can teach us valid lessons but
 CS> teaching a child 
 CS> to perpetuate 'hate' over long ago things is just wrong.
 
 > Canadians. My own knowledge of history is not that good.  Fact
 > is 'history' is a lighter subject I think in USA schools?
 
One wouldn't think so, judging from the strange idea of history 
the European posters here have ...

 MvdV> Frank is 80+ years old. At the end of WWII he was past schoolgoing age
 MvdV> So wherever he learned of WWII history, it was not at school.

 CS> True, but he saw in real life, only that slice afforded to him.  He
 CS> would have  been with a big army unit so from his POV, there were
 CS> Americans all over the  place liberating things.  The US Press would
 CS> have concentrated on 'feel good'  stories as well (and they did, old
 CS> articles show this clearly).  The USA didnt  really have a 'Propaganda
 CS> Ministry' but the effect of the newspapers and other  things were
 CS> slanted to us looking good and for all to add to the war effort. 

You both are apparently under the impression I read papers at 
that time and didn't *realize* the inevitable propaganda 
contained therein.  I could read between the lines and combine 
that with what others told me.

 CS> Still, we had our own 'Quizlings' (sp?  It's after some person
 CS> actually but  came to just mean 'collaborator') and there were many
 CS> 'investigations' of such.

Quisling, the infamous Norwegian who did his thing prior to 
America's entry into WWII.
 
 CS> He hasnt brought up how the USA took the Japanese Americans (most of
 CS> them  citizens of the 3rd or futher generation) and put them in
 CS> concentration camps  of our own.  

Huh?  I've beaten that one into the ground, maybe not *here* but 
in several other echoes.  I saw the immorality of *that* act when 
it was actually *happening*.  People on the West Coast feared a 
Japanese (note term) invasion -- it seems silly now, but it was a 
real fear then.

 CS> That and the Germans may have gotten
 CS> their own ideas of Auswitz  from our own past history of Andersonville
 CS> (Civil war place, horrendous but the 
 CS> only thing they lacked was a Doctor Mendele and a gas chamber).

Andersonville, as I recall, was not an American prison but a 
prison in the Confederacy.

 CS> If you havent run into Andersonville, it's a truely sad part of
 CS> American  history that we'd all like to forget ever happened and have
 CS> done so well, that  probably most of the Z1 posters here have no clue
 CS> what I am talking about.   Photography was in it's infancy then but
 CS> there are pictures of people so  skeletal, you cant believe they were
 CS> still breathing. 

Not "American" history -- *Confederate* history ...
 
 MvdV>> The more they demand gratitude, the less they will get.
 
 MvdV>> You Carol are wise to generally avoid these discussions.
 
 > Hehe well, I generally do.  But, even I can see Frank's
 > bashings and have to speak up.

One person's "bashing" is another's "standing up for the *truth*" 
... [sigh] ...
 
 MvdV> And now that you did, you too became a target...

I think it's unlikely ... he's just trying to incite trouble ... 
[sigh] ...

... Don't believe everything you hear or anything you say.

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