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Skriven 2006-01-01 06:29:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av CAROL SHENKENBERGER
Ärende: Lack of Gratitude
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-=> Quoting Carol Shenkenberger to Frank Scheidt <=-

 CS> Your posts until yesterday looked like you had been there.  
 
 FS> I at no time said that!  I said I was a soldier for 3-1/2 years 
 FS> during WWII but *never* said or even implied I was in the 

 CS> Then you havent been reading the replies sent to you very well.  Even
 CS> just  scanning this thread it was obvious at the start that you were
 CS> inferred as  'having been there'.  Frank, you should have corrected
 CS> that right at the start  of this month long thread, not now.  Your
 CS> credibility is now in question as to  what possible experience you may
 CS> have had when it comes to the memories of  folks who's parents lived
 CS> through it. 

One's credibility is *always* subject to question.  I made no 
false statements hence I make no apologies ... if people chose to 
read into my postings what is not there that's *their* problem 
not mine ...

 FS> a native English speaker???

 CS> I can read.  Your comments were NOT misinterpreted by the others for
 CS> whom  english is a 'second language'.
 
If they were not misinterpreted then there's no problem ...

 CS> spoke at least 2 languages, and  he had a sharp shooter award.  He was
 CS> also violently against guns all the time  that i knew him.
 FS>  
 FS> OK ... so?  I'll bet *anything* he was *ordered* to serve in the 
 FS> European Theater.

 CS> He went where he was told.  Europe obviously due to his language
 CS> skills.  Radio 
 CS> operator was a natural for him and the best place to put a person who
 CS> could  intercept and translate messages.  Nothing mystical about it.

 CS> He was the one who helped my brother and me get the right information
 CS> for our  clearances as he had 'interesting times' with that too.  The
 CS> family  'Americanized' the Von Papen name when they came to the USA. 
 CS> 'Uncle' Von  Papen was alive and well and heading some sort of thing in
 CS> Istanbul and still  largely respected in the Nazi regime though family
 CS> tradition says that  faultered with Hitler at some point.  Dad told
 CS> them straight up when he joined  about it all and that he'd never met
 CS> the man being born here (USA).  (Von Papen 
 CS> isnt actually an 'uncle' BTW but some 2nd cousin or something, just
 CS> called  'uncle' in my father's family long ago).

 CS> The 'family tradition' information on 'Uncle' comes from 'Aunt' (great
 CS> aunt to  me) Elise who I bear the middle name of.  Used to live in
 CS> Vermont and my  memories of her are sparse as I was probably 6 or 7
 CS> when Mom took us up there.  I recall a yard with a blueberry bush and
 CS> being told i was welcome to eat them  by a gracious lady with a slighty
 CS> thick accent.  I remember it was cold (being  by then several years in
 CS> Miami FL) and we went in something close to summer (no 
 CS> snow, which I'd wanted to see).  Aunt Elise says there was a falling
 CS> out with  Hitler but that 'Uncle Von Papen' was the old type German
 CS> 'with honor' which  was why it happened.

 CS> Web pages dont totally support that though he was aquitted at the
 CS> nuremburg  trials (one of 2 I think).

You have an interesting background, far more interesting than my 
own which is quite common ... von Papen was constantly in the 
news during the late 1930s ...

... "Spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans and spam."

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