Text 21358, 122 rader
Skriven 2006-01-08 14:30:44 av Carol Shenkenberger (6:757/1)
  Kommentar till text 21302 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
Ärende: Re: Editor's censorship
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*** Quoting FRANK SCHEIDT from a message to CAROL SHENKENBERGER ***

-=> Quoting Carol Shenkenberger to Frank Scheidt <=-

 FS> Fear not, I represent Main-Stream America.  We are out to help 
 FS> people -- even people who don't appreciate us ...

 CS> No Frank, you dont.  For one, your ideas are framed by an age group
 CS> largely now 
 CS> gone on to the next place.  Dont even begin to think you can represent
 CS> me, (40  or so years younger) or my neighbors (often 15-20 years
 CS> younger than me).  It's 
 CS> not just an age thing though.

FS> I don't *claim* to "represent" anyone specifically.  However 
FS> my ideas *are* Main-Stream American ones.  I realize if it 
FS> were possible to group *all* thoughts of *all* Americans the 

Now you are doing it again.  You are assuming you are mainstream and the rest
of us objecting to you are not (implied).

FS> resulting plot would be the familiar bell-shaped curve, with 
FS> tiny minorities of extremists on each end.  You'd find *my* 
FS> ideas in the exact center.

I seriously doubt that.  Frank, I believe YOU think that but your posts just do
not support it in the way you word things.  I have no problem at all with you
stating how you see things, but when you try to claim you are representing
most of America, then you step over a line.

Many of the people here know no better.

In Japan, we teach as best as we can to all our troops that we have to be
'ambassadors' as that one meeting with one of us, may the the only one some
person from another country may have to base an opinion on.  In this echo, we
need to keep that in mind as that is all some of the people reading us, will
ever know.


FS> Thank you.  I think of myself as a true American, as an American 
FS> Nationalist ... furthermore with that statement you reveal more 
FS> of yourself than you might realize.  Let me explain.

FS> Consider our two situations:  You have done a lot of travelling 
FS> around the world.  Exactly how much, I don't know but obviously 
FS> you've spent a lot of time outside of the US.  *I*, OTOH, have 
FS> travelled extensively inside of the US, and have lived in various 
FS> parts of the country -- on the East Coast, the Gulf Coast, the 
FS> West Coast and in the Midwest.  I have lived through both the 
FS> Great Depression and I was there in WWII, as you well-know -- 
FS> and that was done before you were even *born*!

FS> As you've pointed out I'm probably *twice* as old as you are 
FS> hence have had *twice* as much life experience.  And experience 

Frank, that doesnt mean you are 'right' by weight of age.  Notice something? No
one seems to find me awkward or objectionable.  I discuss ideas and like you
mostly do, avoid attacking people (but will discuss the ideas they espouse).

I too have lived many places in the US thougfh obviously I cant claim 80 years
of it nor am I trying to.

FS> Japanese nationals so I readily admitted you would be expected to 
FS> know more about the Japanese mentality than *I* would. That's 
FS> based on your more extensive experience living in Japan.

As well as more extensive experience overall in just dealing with people from
other cultures than you have.  There's a term for a person who speaks only one
language.  Mono-lingual.  I'm coining a new one.  Mono-cultural.  Most
Americans are mono-cultural and in this, you probably are main-stream while i
think perhaps, I am not.

FS> Another item:  You tend to be a more conciliatory person than I 
FS> am -- and there's nothing wrong with that.  It's for that reason 

Definately, and thats because you can have more fun talking with people than
hitting them over the head with a brick.  I dont know about you, but I'm here
to have fun chatting with people and learning about them if they come from
'far away' and see no reason to fight over our diferences.  I just discuss
them and learn how others feel.

Your general threads are a bit less accepting of other cultural biases which is
why some folks have stopped talking to you.

FS> that the Europeans here (and I define "Europeans" for this 
FS> purpose as *anyone* here not an American) tend to deal with you 
FS> more carefully than they do with me.  Consider, for example, my 

Thats because I accept their culture as a valid one and after talking with some
of them over 10 years, they just know that.  Watch, I can pick on Dave
Drummond and he will pick back and we will both have *fun* because I have a
clue as to where his mind is coming from after all this time as well as
several trips to Darwin (wish I could another place next time but I like
Darwin too).

(Hey Dave, Durian in your face!  SPLAT!  Gotcha bastard right in the eyes! Ohh
boy!  You owe me a beer for that hit!)

FS> Your ideas in this area differ from mine but think about it:  
FS> The ideas of *both* of us are based largely on *experience* ... I 
FS> don't ridicule your ideas since I know they'll change with time.

Sure they will change, but not to the way yours are. I am not mono-cultural or
at least, I do not think I am and I am pretty sure no one else would say I am.
 I may be unfamiliar with many cultures, but I adapt well to all the ones i
have been in.  I make friends wherever I go.

FS> objectively what I've posted.

I have.  We are at a stopgap of a sorts in understanding but I hold hope for
you yet.  You are NOT senile.  You've had a wide USA living pattern and seem
to be reaching to learn more outside of it but are stumbling a bit as we all
do at first.

While it isdoubtful you will ever rreach the point of having a laugh with local
shop keepers after a live eel escapes from your shopping cart in the middle of
an open air market or a sea cucumber fight, you'll do well enough if you
listen to what the folks are actually saying.
                                       xxcarol

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