Text 21485, 129 rader
Skriven 2006-01-09 21:13:53 av Stewart Arnett (3:772/100)
  Kommentar till text 21393 av SHANNON TALLEY (1:275/311)
Ärende: Editor's censorship
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Hello SHANNON.

08 Jan 06 09:17, you wrote to Torbjorn Mohn:

 ST> That's actually a message from 'your' browser not the website. YOU may
 ST> not have access to that page - i.e. it may be blocked somewhere along
 ST> the way.

You blocked his access, that is why he received that message, so why continue ?

 ST> Here, I'll post it for you (references are at the bottom)

Why are you in such a shitty temper Shannon?

It's not good for your health.

 ST> The Fidonews Editor is displaying Anti-American Semitism by his
 ST> recent
 ST>  writings in the Fidonet Fidonews Echo.  This is the editor of the
 ST> Fidonews newsletter that was invented and first distributed in the
 ST> United States.

You cannot invent a newsletter, even a Fido one, did the Americans invent
writing ? or N.E.W.S ? It may have first been first published in the USA and
distributed there, now it has out grown the USA as has Fido and is published
else where.

 ST> In one of his recent statements published in the FidoNews discussion
 ST> echo, the Fidonews editor, Bj˙rn Felten stated,  "So you regard
 ST> yourself as his kind of people too? You know, the arrogant USAian [the
 ST> editor's use of this term is meant to insult Americans] kind of people
 ST> that knows-it-all and rules the world because you can. The kind of
 ST> people that, for half a century, has toppled more democratically
 ST> elected governments, just to install the most despicable dictators the
 ST> world has ever seen in it's place, than anyone can even keep count
 ST> of." (Felten, 11 Dec 2005)  In another article he wrote, "Your kind of
 ST> people are brainwashed to think that Muslim is just another word for
 ST> Terrorist, and that, ergo, each and everyone of the 1150 million
 ST> Muslims in the world are notorious liars." (Felten, 11 Dec 2005 {2})

This was not published in the Fido Newsletter (commonly called the snooze) and
as a comment in the Fidonews echo Correct ?

 ST> In another even more recent post, Bj˙rn Felton accuses another member
 ST> of Fidonet of being an American as though it were an insult, "What are
 ST> you? Still a rag worshipping, stars & striped fanatical, kind of
 ST> person?" (Felten, 11 Dec 2005 {3})

The above question applies.

 ST> Bj˙rn Felton on Patriotism, "Don't you realize that you have been
 ST> brainwashed? Patriotism is the basis of all the ill doings that has
 ST> been taking place in human history, and it's people like you, that
 ST> uncritically swallow the rag worshipping shit forced upon you, from
 ST> the very first years, that are the very foundation of it all."
 ST> (Felten, 12 Dec 2005)

This is not very nice as a comment but is surprisingly true of many people and
countries. The North Korean people believe their country is where the BMW is
made, totally from propaganda (possibly translatable as Patriotism or
uncritically swallowing the rag worshipping shit etc....)

 ST> Felton on his attitude against Americans, "Don't forget that the
 ST> Iranians are Muslims. And, as we all know by now, Muslim is just
 ST> another word for Terrorist.

We have had two young men convicted in the courts here for just exactly the
same attitude (Muslim is another word for terrorist) they attempted arson and
wrote ridiculous graffiti on a Mosque. He is just pointing this out, and it
does happen.

 ST> The USAians OTOH are Christians, and, as
 ST> we also know, a good Christian will never cause any harm to any
 ST> single
 ST> person. It's totally against their religion. So, surely you can sleep
 ST> safe while the USAians are on the watch? Not a single kid will be
 ST> harmed and love to all mankind will be the motto at hand." (Felten, 19
 ST> Dec 2005)

I've heard worse from other aetheists, and from Christians for that matter.
Even yourself is not blameless in this regard, remember "I am not Jesus and
angles (sic) who have done worse" ?

This actually (in the case of Christians) comes from a lack of objective bible
study and understanding of what is written there.

He and you do not realise the truth in his statement, and the sarcasm.

 ST> As a member of Fidonet, I'm ashamed that we have a someone so vocal
 ST> with his hatred toward the United States in a position of authority.
 ST> It is his right to have an individual opinion, but is this the kind of
 ST> objectiveness one should vocalize as the Editor of the Fidonews
 ST> Newsletter?

Why not ?  Is he not entitled to his oppinion? Furthermore have you considered
why he has this hatred of the US, have you considered his possible reasons,
perhaps he is entirely justified, or partially justified. Has he published this
oppinion in the Snooze though ? or is it just from the echo ?

 ST> He continuously rejects submissions to the newsletter from most of
 ST> the
 ST> U.S. based contributors, and instead publishes the weekly newsletter
 ST> with NO content at all; just an empty shell.

That is absolute nonsense and you know it.

 ST> I think it's time that he resigns from his position and appoints
 ST> someone who actually cares about doing the job.  But, that's just my
 ST> opinion. What's your opinion? (click here, we'd love to hear from you)

Me thinks you were pissed off when your wrote the above missif.

Personally I think Bjorn is an arrogant prick, but writing (cut and paste) out
the above in here makes you look pretty arrogant too, keep it on you website if
you wish but not in here.

If Bjorn was to write the views you have quoted here in an editorial in the
Snooze, then you have a right to call for his resignation and I for one would
back your side to the hilt, but until then he is as free as anyone to say
whatever he wishes in here. You have said some very nasty things about his
country, haven't you ? So have others, one actually lathered with such a huge
brush he insulted my Father and that has made me angry with his existance. But
I will not reply in kind to him, rather just pull his chain every so often and
flush him like the good little Shithouse he is.

Stewart

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