Text 2173, 56 rader
Skriven 2004-11-26 17:18:00 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
   Kommentar till text 2171 av Robert Couture (1:229/2000)
Ärende: Science 1/2
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 >  MvdV>>> You know I too run a robot. Sysops can send updates
 >  MvdV>>> for the pointlist and they are automatically processed.
 >  MvdV>>> I do NOT preview the input and I do NOT interfere
 >  MvdV>>> unless there is a /technical/ problem.

 >>> Which is the way the echolist should be run, IMHO.

 >  MvdV> But it isn't and therefore IMHO it should not be
 >  MvdV> considered authoritive.

 > It isn't in Policy 4.07, so it has never been authorative
 > in FidoNet.

It is de facto authoritive because many people treat it as such.

 > It was forced upon us by previous echolist keepers due to
 > unscrupulous people trying to steal echos from other people.

Frankly I do not understand this. I do not know of a single case where an echo
was successfully stolen here in Z2. I doubt that it is possible. Per EP1 a
moderator is powerless if he does not have the recognition of the *EC's. So
unless he bribes 3/4 of the *EC's to impeach the sitting moderator, there is
nothing a potential hijacker can do.

 > The message from Matt McCarthy is informative on the
 > subject.  (Thanks Matt!)

It gives a nice summary of the history. It does not change my view on the
echolist as it is now.

 > The only force it has is because there are people forcing
 > people to list an echo because either the bbackbones won't
 > carry it or people do what Jack Yates did here.

And in the time that the backbones called the shots, that was a force to be
reckoned with.

 > It is perfectly acceptable by Z1 rules and traditions for Jack to
 > do what he did.

O, no argument there. By the Z1 interpretation of Z1 rules and traditions, it
was perfectly all right.

But then if you were fair, you would also concede that what I attempted to do
with the ham echo was perfectly all right by the Z2 interpretation of Z2 rules
and traditions

 > I just don't agree with how it happened to /this/ echo.

Right. After Frank Vest turned it over to Björn it became a Z2 echo and
therefore Z1 rules no longer apply.

Cheers, Michiel

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