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Skriven 2006-01-15 14:40:01 av Roy Witt (1:1/22)
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15 Jan 06 10:55, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:


 >>>> Look, Blom had the council of the Dutch embassy, if they
 >>>> thought he was innocent, they wouldn't have let him stand
 >>>> trial against trumped up charges.

 MvdV>>> What could they have done?

 >> They, for one, would insure that Blom had dutch council.

 MvdV> Of course they did that. But they obviously could not prevent him
 MvdV> being tried and convicted.

Of course not, they knew he had committed a crime on US soil.

 MvdV>  They may have has something to do with the pleay barging though..

Yes, that's possible, as that is what it states on the europa website
they're responsible to do...

 >> among other things to aid in his defense.

 MvdV> The Dutch minister of justice wrote a letter pleading his case. It
 MvdV> was ignored.

Probably not. However, it may not have been about 'how to get him off
under dutch law' but a plea to treat him as a Dutch citizen within the
confines of the treaty which would protect him from other countries who
have no treaty with the EU.

 >>>> But it does apply to cyberspace.
 MvdV>>> No it doesn't. Another one of the arrogance that makes the
 MvdV>>> US so unpopular.
 >> I hate to be the one bearing sad tidings, but there are more
 >> than just the US that enforces such laws concerning cyberspace.
 MvdV> Such as?

Ukraine, Rumania, etc...I'm sure there are more.

 >>>> When Blom violated US law, he wasn't extraditable for that
 >>>> violation,
 MvdV>>> Of course he was not extraditable. What he did was no a
 MvdV>>> violation here.
 >> But what he did here was.
 MvdV> Once more: what did he do while on US territory and was convicted
 MvdV> for?

No one knows, not even you, because the court transcript hasn't been found
yet. For all we know, his record here is closed (probably by request of
the Dutch consulate).

 >>>> but he was subject to arrest when and if he stepped onto US
 >>>> soil and persued the victim.
 MvdV>>> That attitude is reason why I will never visit the USA.
 >> Why?

 MvdV> I write a lot in cyberspace. I may have violated US law while doing
 MvdV> so but not be aware of it. With these idiotic laws of yours, how
 MvdV> can I ever be sure that I have not violated them?

No idea, you tell me.

 MvdV> For all I know *you* might be a policemen posing as a harmless
 MvdV> idiot trying to provoke me into writing things that may get me
 MvdV> arrested if I ever set foot on US soil.

Yes, you never know.

 MvdV> I am not taking the risk, you guys can not be trusted.

Unless you've been soliciting sex with a minor here, you're pretty safe if
you step onto US soil. Of course, for all I know, you could be leading a
port scanning and hacking group, and that's why you're afraid to come
here.

 >> He wasn't innocent and it's nobody elses fault that he
 >> didn't know better.
 MvdV> It is the fault of the policeman that posed as 14 year old girl and
 MvdV> who sollicited sex without telling MB that that was illegal.

Oh, now the policeman violated US law by asking a suspect if he's like to
have sex with a 14yo girl...that's not what happened and you know it. Blom
was the perpetrator and was found guilty of violating the law.

 >> Do you want to persue American minors for sex too?
 MvdV> Eh? Why should I?

Thought you'd like to join Blom in his 15 minutes of fame.

 MvdV>>> I may have done something which os not illegel here, but
 MvdV>>> which is illegal in the US. I won't take that risk.
 >> Your loss.
 MvdV> That is no how I see it. You lose the money that I might spend as a
 MvdV> tourist.

Trust me, there's no loss in revenue because you didn't spend any money
here, there are plenty of other suckers who will. Dossche will spend your
share.

 MvdV>>> BTW, yesterday I saw some nice grape fruits in the supermarket.
 MvdV>>> Then I saw the label stating they came from California USA. So I
 MvdV>>> put them back. I have decided to no longer buy products from the
 MvdV>>> USA.
 >> That too is your loss. Those grapefruit are second only to the
 >> grapefruit grown in Texas.
 MvdV> There are plenty of other countries that produce good grapefruit.
 MvdV> No loss there.

Maybe, but then you never know what sexual deviant like drommond has
injected his semen into those other grapefruit.

 >> Some of them grow as large as a football (socker) and if
 >> you're into grapefruit, they're the best that can be had.

 MvdV> That may be true for the US. The world is bigger than that.

Not much.


Roy
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