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Skriven 2006-01-15 23:36:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av CAROL SHENKENBERGER
Ärende: Editor's censorship
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-=> Quoting Carol Shenkenberger to Frank Scheidt <=-

My max number of lines *was* 250.  I've now reset it to 150.  I 
hope that's short enough.

 FS>OK, while your experience may well be more varied than mine,
 FS>there *is* an advantage in talking with technically-trained
 FS>foreigners -- we have a common basis in that background at least

 CS> There is always interest in 'talking tech' but that isnt all there is
 CS> as you know.

Of course and I wasn't talking about technical talk.  Actually 
much if not *most* was of a personal nature.  I've always been 
interested in foreigners hence always wanted to know what life 
was like in their country of origin.  Of course that's not like 
actually being there and observing it, but it is quite 
informative.  Especially since, in general, I was dealing with 
people who were both articulate and knowledgeable.
 
 FS> CS> If a Japanese person in a crowd pushed you aside to get around you,
 FS> CS> you'd  probably think they were rude.  Thats not the case though.
 FS> CS> 'Hand chopping in  air up and down' Summimasen (phonetic) 'please
 FS> CS> excuse'.  In a crowed land, this
 FS> CS> is the polite behavior of one who is in a rush and never used unless
 FS> CS> it's  really needed (like, catching a flight and running late etc).
 
 FS>If for some reason I were to move to Japan for an extensive visit
 FS>you can be certain I'd keep fairly quiet and *very* observant.
 FS>If the visit were to be open-ended, possibly for years, I'd soon
 FS>start to *try* to learn the language.

 CS> Same here but I am at sea so much, it's not fluent at all.  I can get
 CS> by well enough for all needs I have here in Japan.
 
That's the most important.  Even "pidgin" Japanese would allow 
you to get around.

 FS> CS> are not, or 'less  efficient' that are accepted here.  Paying bills is
 FS> CS> the first one that hits  Americans as the system is very very
 FS> CS> different.  Japanese do not use checks and
 FS> CS> they dont accept payments by mail for most things even if you want to
 FS> CS> mail  cash (which they do not do).  You take the bill mailed to you to
 FS> CS> the site and  pay in person, in cash.  A few things can be paid at
 
 FS>That *is* unexpected.  The Japanese are very advanced
 FS>technologically.  I'd expect them to be paying bills on the
 FS>Internet or something like that.

 CS> Some can be but much can not.  Automatic payments from your account
 CS> are possible for some things and not others.  Assumptions can be very
 CS> wrong and so some things turn out easier and others less so.
 
 FS> CS> On the upside, some things are alot easier.  Kerosine
 CS> to your doorstep
 
 FS>Hmmmmmm ... I've *never* wanted kerosene on my doorstep ... heh

 CS> It's cold here and many places have only kerosine heat.  Electricity
 CS> is expensive here.  Kerosine is fairly cheap.

Since Japan has to import 100% of its petroleum kerosene must be 
subsidized to some extent to make it cheap.
 
 FS> FS> However I'll bet I've met more foreigners who are able to
 FS> FS> communicate more articulately than the average which *you* meet.
 
 FS> CS> Which is why I have learned more at least in part.
 
 FS>Huh?  How can you learn more from one who does *not* communicate
 FS>articulately?

 CS> The people you talk with know english quite well.  That means in
 CS> addition to learning the language, they learned much of your cultural
 CS> expectations and 'rules of behavior'.  You wont see the simpler 'utter
 CS> confusion' with a crosscultural exchange.  Non-verbal sometimes, but
 CS> very informative.  Hard to explain though perhaps one of the others
 CS> can try.  I just dont know how to say it so it will make sense to you.

I think I know exactly what you mean ... and I agree ...
 
 FS>Each of us has different experience.  Each of us is "superior" in
 FS>some respect, inferior in others.  As I've pointed out, I can be
 FS>classified as an American Nationalist.  People who do things
 FS>which can harm this nation draw my attention.  And that "harm"
 FS>can be largely talk ... I suspect that you are so well-travelled

 CS> BTW, you will have to break your messages for me.  It truncated here
 CS> and I have no idea what the rest may have been.  My OLR at sea has size
 CS> limits.  I can guess the rest but best to be sure?

Sorry, but I post so many messages -- in this echo as well as in 
others -- that I don't recall what followed.  In any event my 
messages now will have a max length of 150 lines.  Will that fit?

... Captain Shenkenberger, the communicators don't work.

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