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Text 23079, 77 rader
Skriven 2006-01-19 10:06:10 av Philip Lozier (1:267/169)
  Kommentar till text 23044 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Editor's censorship
===========================
 >> He imposed nothing... he let a pervert go about his pervert
 >> course of action...

 MvdV> By judging Menno Blom a pervert you are already imposing your laws
 MvdV> and moral values on others. Over here - where Menno Blom was when
 MvdV> the policeman made contact wit him - Menno Blom is not considered a
 MvdV> pervert.

I impose nothing on others... I state my moral view of the man, which is my
oppinion, to which I'm entitled, and free to express.  I impose no
laws on anyone, anywhere, as I do not have the authority to do so.

 >> the freak came to this country

 MvdV> Which would most likely not have happened if the policeman would
 MvdV> not have made contact with him in the first place.

I am not aware of any public releases of the transcripts of interaction between
the cop and blom.  If the cop was sitting back pretending to be a 14 year old
girl I think it is more likely that blom contacted what he thought was a 14
year old girl.  There are proceedures to the way police operate to catch
internet predators and the initiating the contact is not part of that.

 MvdV> All you had to do to keep him out was refreigning from inviting him
 MvdV> in in the first place.

I could have done nothing... wasn't involved... however all he had to do was
not take up the offer to prevent commiting a crime.

Somebody offers you merchandise that was stolen at a bargain price, you pay for
it... bought and paid for in your eye, and you never asked if it was stolen and
claim ignorance because you "didn't know"... get
found out, off to jail you go for recieving stolen merchandise.  All you would
have to have done to prevent jail in that instance is be wary of an offer that
seemed to great to be true... same, same.

 >> Legal in his country, or not, it is is illegal -HERE-,

 MvdV> And HERE it is illegal for a policeman to pose as a 14 year old
 MvdV> year girl and sollicit an illegal act.

I believe Blom was the solicitor... but anyway, might be illegal for a cop to
pose there... he was conversing with somebody in the US... same as when
somebody logs into your BBS they are in "your living room" converse with a
person in another country and it is as if you are in that country.

 >> where he came of -HIS OWN FREE WILL-... had he kept his
 >> perversions within the confines of his own pond, he wouldn't
 >> have had the problem he had,

 MvdV> If the US policeman had not impose his morals on others in the
 MvdV> first place.

He didn;t impose his morals... he pretended to be a 14 year old girl and let
the predator do what the predator likes to do.

 >> but, another arrogant peurovert thought he could just
 >> come here and do damn well as he pleased...

 MvdV> A US policeman made him believe it was alll right....

By pretending to be a 14 year old girl who says "I won't tell"... even if it
were a real 14 year old girl who said "it's alright", the law says otherwise...
be well aware of to where you travel before you believe a CHILD.

 MvdV> This whole thing would never have happened if the US did not have
 MvdV> this policy of actively trying to impose their way of doing on
 MvdV> others.

It wouldn't happen if the internet were not a favorite venue of perverts, child
molestors, and predators who are willing to travel internationaly for their
jollies.

Phil

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