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Skriven 2006-02-18 06:57:40 av Frank Vest (1:124/6308.1)
     Kommentar till en text av Michiel van der Vlist
Ärende: Elist
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On (18 Feb 06) Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Frank Vest...

Hello Michiel,

 > That many choose not to use it does not make it a Z1 only list.
 Mv> But the fact that it was created after the Z1-Z2 merged list failed
 Mv> did. We were back at the situation with a list FOR Z1 and a list FOR
 Mv> Z2.

Did the Z2 list accept listings from other than Z2? If so, then it was
not a Z2 list except in the respect that it is based in Z2. That is
all I'm saying. The claim seems to be that the Elist is a Z1 only
list and handles only Z1 echos. When confronted with the statement
that this is not true, all kinds of excuses and crap ensue from all
sides to prove each other wrong. Most of it is pure shit, but that
doesn't stop anyone.

The elist is an elist. It is not the Z1 elist. It is administered by a
Sysop in Z1. That is all.

<..>
 > Yes, the problem is the proper operation and the fear of the
 > Fidonet world that there will be abuse.
 Mv> The fear is fully justified. It *has* been abused on numerous
 Mv> occasions.
 >> A central repository of echos that are available in Fidonet could
 >> benefit Fidonet.
 Mv>  Mv>> The benefits do not outweigh the problems resulting from abuse.
 > There's that fear again.
 Mv> It is more than fear. It is the certain knowledge that it HAS been
 Mv> abused and the near certainty that it will be abused again.

It is certain knowledge that the *Cs will try to abuse their position
and that other things will be abused.. I suppose we should do away
with all structure and become isolationists? Amazing what fear can do
and has done to Z2.

 > Perhaps all echos should go to private distribution due to fear?
 Mv> From my point of view all echos ARE privately distributed now. In the
 Mv> past we had Cost Sharing Organizations who distributed echomail, but
 Mv> now that there is no cost of any significance left, we distribute echo
 Mv> privately. All the echomail links that I have are on a private sysop
 Mv> to sysop basis.

But the echos are public. Play the word games. It's ok.

 > Perhaps Z2 should be broken down into separate Zones?...
 Mv> What good would that do? Create more *C jobs?

Prevent the language problems that Z2 has per your claims.

 > No... that would take away the brag of being the largest Zone
 > and you all couldn't handle that, now could you?
 Mv> C'mon Frank, zone bashing is not your style.

Bashing is the style of this echo. One of the first things that I
heard when I turned the Fidonews over to Björn was how Z2 could
finally have its revenge for all the Z1 abuse. Wow. That made me feel
good. Then all of Z2 and other Zones start in and have continued
since. How much revenge do you all need? I suppose that since Z1 has
abused all the rest of Fidonet for 20 years, the rest of fidonet
should abuse Z1 for the next 40 years. That sounds about right. :(

Bashing? Look in the mirror. Revenge taste sweet to you and the non
Z1 zones. Must be. You all use it enough.

Yeah, it's a wide brush I'm using. So do you and others.. So get off
of it. :(

 >> But it could be of benefit, just the same.

 Mv>  Mv>> The benefits are marginal, they do not outweigh the unavoidable
 Mv> abuse.
 > Probably true. :(
 Mv> I am afraid so...

Enjoy life,
Frank

 Mv> --- Buy Danish

Yeah.
--- Buy American. If there was such a thing! :(


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