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Skriven 2006-02-22 23:59:04 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
  Kommentar till text 25813 av Michiel Van Der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Re: Elist
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 -=> On 02-22-06  11:11,  Michiel Van Der Vlist <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Elist <=-

 >   What instance was that

 MVDV> You know what it was. It has been beaten to death. No use rehashing
 MVDV> it. 

  That is one instance -- it was you who insisted that Thom do what he
  did.

 >   What are the other five cases you reference?   Show the
 > evidence to support your claim.

 MVDV> What good what it do? All the incidents have been discussed 
 MVDV> over and over again and you were there. It would merelky 

   Nope.  As I said, I know of the above which you might label as abuse
   simply because Thom did not do what you wanted him to do.   I know of
   a second one where Thom entered a listing of Björn even though Björn
   did not have the password.  I call that abuse since it violated the
   announced policy of the Elist, but Thom made an exception only after
   considerable pressure from others.

   That brings the potential count to two.  Where are the other three
   that you sited?

 MVDV> result in the upteeth repeating of all the arguments. I
 MVDV> would claim abuse, you would deny it. What's the point?

  The point is that you are very quick to demand that others supply the
  evidence to back their claims and statements, but that you make
  statements which cannot be verified and do not provide any evidence
  when asked.

 MVDV>> evidence is in Dutch though. Keep in mind that I was not
 MVDV>> specifically referring to Thom's list, but to echolists in
 MVDV>> general.
 
  And now you contradict yourself.  Above you claimed that the evidence
  had been presented in public and that I had seen it -- here you claim
  that it is in Dutch and not available to me (and not relevant to the
  discussion of an Elist used on multiple continents).

 >   What happens on local isolated lists has no bearing on how
 > Thom runs his Elist --

 MVDV> It tells us the lesson that when there is power with no 
 MVDV> checks and balance, it will be abused sooner or later.

 MVDV> The bearing on Thom's list is that it is run by a self 
 MVDV> appointed keeper who for all intents and purposes is a 
 MVDV> dictator. No chack and balances. Thatthe bearing.
 
   What Thom does or does not do is subject to public oversight by
   moderators and others.

                               Dale Shipp
                  fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
                              (1:261/1466)



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