Text 27972, 115 rader
Skriven 2006-04-21 10:47:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av ROY WITT
Ärende: Canadian "Skills"
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-=> Quoting Roy Witt to Frank Scheidt <=-

 BF>>>> If he hasn't anything else to do then keep nagging about things
 BF>>>> that happend 60 years ago he have too much spare time that could
 BF>>>> be used to do something better with.
 
 RW>>> Actually, he's not nagging, he's educating the unwashed.
 
 BF>> So just because he was living during the WWII makes him an expert
 
 RW>> I wouldn't say he's an expert, but he is better schooled in the
 RW>> history of WW2 than anybody here. I wouldn't bother to support him
 RW>> if it weren't true.
 
 FS> I have never *claimed* to be an "expert" WRT WWII.

 RW> I know. But Felten seems to have that perception.

That seems to be only *one* of his many misperceptions ... [sigh] 
...
 
 FS> However since I *was* there I not only recall a great deal of what
 FS> went on but as WWII approached I, as a teenaged, potential
 FS> "cannon-fodder" was extremely alert as to what went on in both
 FS> national and international politics.  I was born shortly after WWI
 FS> and *that* war was a frequent source of discussion among adults.

 RW> As was WW2 in my family. With three uncles returning from both
 RW> theatres, the war stories were very interesting for a young boy to
 RW> listen to. One of them brought an English war-bride home and even she
 RW> had war stories of her own. She lived in London and told a the bombings
 RW> and rocket attacks, nearly getting killed herself.
 
 FS> The modern Europeans have such a shameful past it's
 FS> understandable that their history books would have distorted what
 FS> went on -- especially to kids in school.

 RW> I just read in the local newspaper that the Germans have agreed to
 RW> release the contents of the records the Nazi kept on who they processed
 RW> through their concentration camps. These records have been kept intact
 RW> by representatives of 11 countrys. I forget the name of the town where
 RW> they're kept, someplace in Germany. In about six months, we'll be
 RW> reading all about that. Wonder if the uros will ignore it or get a
 RW> lesson in thier past.
 
Most Europeans would be very much surprised to hear 
*Concentration* camps existed let along their conversion to Death 
Camps.  They'll probably think they're seeing a movie about a 
fictional past.

 BF>>  and the right to "educate" or should I say, force,
 
 RW>> No one is forcing you to read what he says. There is the next key.
 RW>> However, if you want to know about WW2, I'd shy away from the
 RW>> schools there in urope, as they seem to have skipped over that part
 RW>> of history.
 
 FS> They *do* have quite a distorted view ... I've read that there's
 FS> a tremendous difference of opinion of the US, for example,
 FS> between the current generation and the generation that was around
 FS> during the Berlin Air Lift -- a generous American act which saved
 FS> the people of Berlin.  (I suppose the current Europeans here
 FS> haven't even *heard* of that.)  *That* older generation is
 FS> *still* grateful ...

 RW> I remember it. For those who don't or haven't heard of it, the History
 RW> Channel did a nice documentary on it this past week.

I'll bet these Europeans posting here haven't the *foggiest* 
notion of what the term "Berlin Air-Lift" means ...
 
 BF>> his opinion on to others?
 
 RW>> Facts are facts, whether or not they're the opinion of someone who's
 RW>> making a valid point is of no concern for the learned or the
 RW>> student.
 
 FS> They don't *like* facts and wish they'd simply go away!

 RW> Of course not, facts don't help their cause any...

But facts would help them post messages here which weren't so 
filled with errors.
 
 BF>>>> In case you haven't noticed, you two are the only one here that
 BF>>>> think it's interesting, the rest of us have moved on.
 
 RW>>> The only other subject here is whether or not we should include a
 RW>>> few Canucks and one Aussie in that education effort. You might want
 RW>>> to stand by for an update, in case you need more eduction on the
 RW>>> subject.
 
 BF>> As Roger Nelson said, it was a mistake (my second) posting here
 BF>> where there only are Einstein:s. I leave the mudslinging to you and
 BF>> retire to my park-bench, the coffe is getting cold.
 
 RW>> Yes, which reminds me of the cliche'; if you can't play with the big
 RW>> dogs, stay out of the game.
 
 FS> BF has been irritated with me ever since I made the mistake of
 FS> trying to *help* him with an awkward bit of English.  He
 FS> considered that an "insult" ... [sigh] ...

 RW> Of course he did. Don't you know that they're taught better English in
 RW> their schools than we learn in ours?

I hadn't realized that!  Perhaps I should apologize to Bjorn ... 
*Nah*!   He'd consider that condescension on my part and would be 
insulted again ... [sigh] ...

... Define "normal" ...

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