Text 30007, 95 rader
Skriven 2006-05-19 11:10:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av PHILIP LOZIER
Ärende: Canadian "Skills"
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-=> Quoting Philip Lozier to Björn Felten <=-

 BF>    Well, I'd say that generally speaking there's still far more
 BF> good than bad.

 PL> Yes... there is, but the USA of today is a far cry from what the
 PL> founding fathers had envisioned, I would say.

Wow!  Such a revelation that 2006 is different than 1776 ... 
[sigh] ...
 
 BF> If you only rely on what is said in the mainstream
 BF> media, I guess you could be very disappointed,

 PL> I get more and more disappointed all the time, yet hold a GREAT love
 PL> for the country... the concept anyway.  I applaud those who still try
 PL> to hold the ideals, and a "true" sense of patriotism.  Unforunately the
 PL> "American dream" is dead though, unless you consider credit debt for
 PL> life a dream to be achieved. 
 
So you *applaud* me while, in an earlier posting -- which you, of 
course, deny -- you *threaten* me ... why??

 BF> but there is also a
 BF> lot of alternative media (paper as well as internet) and there I
 BF> think you find the true spirit of USA.
 
 BF>    One good thing about having a media industry that is almost
 BF> totally controlled by a few major corporations is you usually get a
 BF> reaction in the form of underground publications, and in the US
 BF> there are more UGP, per capita, than anywhere else in the world.
 BF> And they usually show a great deal of insight and intelligent
 BF> observations (even if you don't happen to agree with their messages
 BF> :) ).

 PL> Heh-heh... but those UGPs have about as much effect on the real world
 PL> as our message exchange here... wether people happen to agree with me
 PL> or not :) "Free thinking radicals" like me are viewed as nut cases
 PL> these days while at one time we were what made the world go around.
 
 Hmmmmmm ... "viewed as nut cases" ... right ... RIGHT!!

 BF>    But it must be really frustrating to realize that it's probably
 BF> impossible to get rid of the oil barons and other greedy CEOs now
 BF> in control of the US

 PL> Yes... it is frustrating.  The Corpoprate States of America is what
 PL> exists now. USA incorporated.  The "small guy" doesn't have a chance
 PL> anymore but at least (say only ten years ago) not so far back one would
 PL> at least have the ability to "try" and forge their way and live the
 PL> American dream and do so without major investment of going "public".
 PL> I do alright and have had people do work for me that I have tried to
 PL> convince to "go out on their own" with their skills, and they look at
 PL> me like I have three heads at even suggesting it even though I've
 PL> helped people do it in the past... it seems to me that

I'll tell you, Philip, the "small guy" never *did* stand much of 
a chance ... grow up!!

 PL> those from their 30's on down view that as impossible when to me it
 PL> still seems very achievable for them, but they have been brainwashed
 PL> into believing it can't be done so they are already defeated.
 
 BF> -- unless you start a revolution.

 PL> heh, heh... people might "say" that's what's needed, but cut the
 PL> conversation as soon as American Idol or Survivor comes on the tube.
 
 BF> But somehow
 BF> I find it hard to believe, that such a think can happen. Most
 BF> USAians seem to be more interested in getting their favourite TV
 BF> show on time than trying to defend their children's right to a
 BF> descent future.

 PL> It can't happen. The drones are too distracted.  They have to realize
 PL> the "American Dream" of today... watching other people desperately
 PL> compete for the big payoff on the tube and wondering why they don;t try
 PL> it themselves... and then they run off with a dollar and a dream to the
 PL> nearest lottery agent to get their pick in, and since the're there
 PL> anyway, buy half a paychecks worth of scratch off tickets because, hey,
 PL> "ya gotta be innit to winnit". Nice dream they have... but if they
 PL> "winnit" they'll have given their children a decent future, even though
 PL> they cant feed them today because they were out trying so hard for the
 PL> future! Ugh! What stupid people sold on an ignorant dream.... they're
 PL> EVERYWHERE too. 

You have *such* contempt for the USA.  Why not go back to 
European and join family members still there?


... Famous last words:  "Try it, Coppers!  Just TRY it!"

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