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Skriven 2006-06-09 15:31:00 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 31297 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
Ärende: Pickled Pirates Propaganda
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Hello Ross.

08 Jun 06 21:35, you wrote to me:

 RC>>> You being a "shill" for someone else is unbecomming of you.

 MV>> But it is ok for you to be Shannon's shill?

 RC> I am far from being a shill for Shannon.

No? I stand by my friends and collegues when they are unjustly attacked. Seems
to me you are doing exactly the same.

Maybe you had better explain what "shill" means. It is not in The Shorter
Oxford.

 MV>> And you believe the anti American feelings just come out of thin
 MV>> air?

 RC> No, you all can be as anti-american as you like, you dont have to go
 RC> out of the way to keep telling us, once was enough and all of us got
 RC> that picture back in 2001 after 9-11 when you got upset at some speech
 RC> Bush made.

The hostilities go back a lot further than 9/11. To me it started when I first
entered these so called international echos around 1998 or so. The menno Blom
case, the rejection of the ICC, the rejection of Kyoto, unilateral trade
levies, all well before 9/11.

And the copyright issue is also much older. I already had an issue with Warren
Bonner over it. He refused to acknowledge my copyright and so I stooped making
contributions to FideoNews during his editorship.

 RC> You all then began the barrage as if maybe if you and the Felten kept
 RC> berating the dozen or so US sysops who regularly frequent this echo,
 RC> that we could (the dozen or so of us) on your behalf change the USA to
 RC> /your/ liking...

No. You can do with your country what you want. As long as you do not try to
impose your morals on us. And there is where it goes wrong.

 RC>  Well guess what, in 2004 we re-elected Bush, so there!

And that made you all responsible for his ill doings. So there!

 RC> Felten set the tone for this echo and a couple others back then with
 RC> incessant USA bashing,

Bullshit. It all started LONG before Björn entered the scene.

 RC>  so if after all that, someone wants to give him back some of his
 RC> shit, good for them, Felten hath reaped that which he hath sowed.

No Ross, as I said it all started long before Björn entered the scene.

 RC> There have been times of honest debate, but it degrades quickly, we
 RC> can talk about cellphones and as soon as you have something to
 RC> compare, you or he comes out and criticizes the way its done over
 RC> here...

 RC> "you all pay what, gee over here our socialist govts gives us
 RC> everything... man are you in the dark ages"

 RC> Ok, the above is an embellishment, the point is still valid..

Not an embellishment, a parody. No one here would call his government
socialist. That is *your* denigrating description. It does indeed say a lot.
about you...

 MV>> You know when I first entered these so called international
 MV>> echos, I experienced the atmosphere as definitely hostile towards
 MV>> anything non Z1.

 RC> I recall it being mostly on Fidonet topics.

In the beginning maybe. And then somone started that "saved your asses from
Hitler" crap.

 RC>>> What you dont like is he getting some of that back, double
 RC>>> standards maybe?

 MV>> It is the other way around Ross. Us Eurotrash pacifict pussies
 MV>> are running out of cheeks to turn. So now *we* are showing some
 MV>> teeth and claw.

 RC> No its not the other way around, had Felten not been on his mission to
 RC> USA bash every third sentence,

As I said, it all started long before Björn entered the scene.

 RC> I would have never coined that LONG RETRACTED BY ME PHRASE.

You may have retracted that particulat phrase, but you dont stop to jump on the
bandwagon whenever someone starts throwing some mud again.

 RC> Btw, did you ever cut the grass in your lawn yet? :)

Sure, in summer I do it every week. Last time was yesterday.

Cheers,


Michiel

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