Text 31857, 113 rader
Skriven 2006-06-14 18:42:51 av Jeff Smith (1:282/0)
  Kommentar till text 31815 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Smoking Gun
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Hello Michiel.

14 Jun 06 16:37, you wrote to Dan Ceppa:

 MV> Hello Dan.

 MV> 14 Jun 06 08:52, you wrote to me:

 DC>> On 14 Jun 06  06:46:00, Michiel van der Vlist got back to Roy
 DC>> Witt -> Re: Smoking Gun

 MvdV>>> I do not think it is going to make any difference. Shannon is
 MvdV>>> fully well of my copyright claim, yet he continues violating
 MvdV>>> my rights. A copyright notice will not change that.

 DC>> If anyone violated your "precious" rights, it was Felten.  Take
 DC>> it up with him.

 MV> Björn did not violate my rights. he published my article in the
 MV> Fidonews file echo, the fidonews echomail coference and his website.
 MV> All with my permsisson.


    And the distribution of the Fidonews is part of the publishing
process that you gave your permission to Björn to accomplish.

    Did you specifiy to Björn that he was was allowed to publish your
article but wasn't allowed to distribute it or otherwise allow it to be
distributed? If so, then was was the point of submitting your article
in the first place?


    That would be like me giving Janis my BBS phone number for my nodelist
entry and crying fowl when she distributes it in the nodelist. Same silly
principle. I would have made the submission with prior knowledge of what
would happen. Just like you did with your article. Your denial of the
relevancy is meaningless. That is simply the reality of the situation
and your denial doesn't change that one little bit. Regardless of how
much you rant about it or refuse to accept it.

   You state that your prior knowledge of the distribution process is
irrevelant. That is another area where your argument collapes. You did
will full prior knowledge of what was and would be involved. Now your
crying fowl. Sometimes when a baby cries ya just need to let them cry.


   Cry away.

 MvdV>>> But I will consider your suggestion for when I write another
 MvdV>>> article for the snooze.

 DC>> Now you know why other editors refused to print your crap.

 MV> Eh? What article of mine was refused because no copyright notice was
 MV> included?

 DC>> IOW, none of this would be occurring now if the current editor
 DC>> did a proper job.

 MV> No Dan. None of this would be occuring if you and some others had not
 MV> started a cruisade against Björn because you can not accept that
 MV> sometimes people elsewhere do things different that they do in the
 MV> USA.

 MV> You could not accept that Björn moderates the echos in a way that is
 MV> not yours. And so you started to terrorise FN_SYSOP en FIDONEWS with a
 MV> flame campaign, When Björn refused to submit to your demands, you
 MV> forced a moderator election e=in FN_SYSOP. And you lost.

 MV> The you joined in the copyright issue. It should be none of your
 MV> business what people do with their website and you are not to judge
 MV> what is morally right or wrong for someone else. But again you could
 MV> nt accept that people in Sweden take a different POV from yours and
 MV> you you joined in the crusade again.

    Try following your own values then. Why then consider it your business
what they do in the USA? Or is it a do as I say and not as I do type of
thing?

    Differant countries, cultures, Etc. are going to have many differant
ways in how they feel and what they chose to believe. That is a given.
How and what you believe is up to you and I make no judgements either
good nor bad. I do however occasionally offer an opinion and in this
case an observation. And yes, also occasionally that opinion is
unsolicited. You are free to attach whatever value you see fit.

 MV> You just can not accept that other countries and cultures have
 MV> differenT laws and moral values than the people of the USA.

 MV> It is *you* and your gang that started this. Any damage to FidoNet
 MV> comes on *your* tab.


    Regardless of who you claim started it. It is up to you to do
your part to stop it. Unless you either don't want it to stop or you
are of the mindset that the blame and/or responsibilty for what YOU do
or say is not yours.

 MV> Oh, yes and for the record: I am now the first Dutch member of
 MV> Pipartiet. # 6783.


     Gosh.... I'm getting wood. <g>

 MV> Michiel

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