Text 3565, 80 rader
Skriven 2004-12-19 13:18:30 av mark lewis (1:3634/12)
   Kommentar till text 3505 av SHANNON TALLEY (1:275/311)
Ärende: Z1B <> EP1
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>> FWIW: exactly!! there's nothing anywhere that mandates that one carry
>> fidonet messages, echos, netmail, files or door game packets... P4
>> spells out all that one must be able to do to carry a fidonet address
>> and be a member of fidonet...

 ST> I must not have explained my theory as well as I thought I
 ST> did.

hummm... possibly...

 ST> Once, a very long time ago, the backstat.na file was up-to-date,

those files are managed by each individual backbone... backbone.na and
backbone.no are the lists of echos carried by one particular backbone system...
backstat.na carried the "status" of that backbone WRT adding or removing echos
and it may list members of the backbone...

there are other backbones and they, too, carry similar lists...

BACKBONE.NA     24528 19-Dec-2004   NAB's list of echos carried
BACKBONE.WW     21384 31-Oct-2004   WWB's list of echos carried
BACKBONE.Z1B    15870 16-Nov-2003   Z1B's list of echos carries
BACKSTAT.NA      4894 19-Dec-2004   NAB's status list
BACKSTAT.WW      5976 18-Dec-2004   WWB's status list
BACKSTAT.Z1B     8876 16-Nov-2003   Z1B's status list


the above are the ones that i have here... as you can see, they are for the
three largest and/or main backbone distribution systems... the .no files are
evidently not maintained any more...


 ST> and we had a list of echos which we considered to be "Fidonet"
 ST> based echos.

only because they were carried in fidonet...

 ST> They were never completely definitive, but they were up-to-date.
 ST> One was never required to maintain a single item on the list to
 ST> be considered a Fidonet node, but rather, simply have a node
 ST> number listed.

right...

 ST> I'm not advocating the requirement of sysops to carry anything.
 ST> I'm simply suggesting that we have an up-to-date listing of echos
 ST> which are considered FidoNet.  A "guide" to those echos which
 ST> fall within "our" Fidonet domain.

depending on which backbone you are a member of or pull your mail from, you may
and/or should have an up to date list available to you... the Z1B, however,
does not have such a list any more and is apparently pretty much defunct...

 ST> As it stands right now, one can hub a series of newsgroups and
 ST> call them Fidonet.

nothing has changed... FWIW: it is not the echos that "are" fidonet... it is
the /systems/ that are fidonet...

 ST> It's apples and oranges, and it's (imho) helping Fidonet's
 ST> continued fragmentation.

that's only due to misunderstandings and misinformation...

 ST> From what I've been told, George Peace maintains the backstat.na,
 ST> and it has been a VERY long time since that list has been updated.

george peace hasn't maintained any backbone documents in many years...
especially since he's not a member of a backbone nor even a member of
fidonet... if your system is not automatically receiving at least the .na and
.ww files i show above, then you best be checking on your fileecho link and the
connection to the BACKBONE fileecho... i get updates at least once a month or
more... it may even be weekly... i dunno as i've not been watching it very
closely... however, with today being the 19th of december and the above list
showing that four of the listed files were updated today, i'd suspect that it
is a weekly occurance...

)\/(ark

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