Text 36364, 105 rader
Skriven 2006-08-09 10:43:25 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
  Kommentar till text 36345 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
Ärende: Massive European Guilt!
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Hello FRANK.

09 Aug 06 07:56, you wrote to me:

 FS> -=> Quoting Jeff Smith to Björn Forsström <=-

 BF>>>> Why must I grow a thicker skin to cummunicate with you?
 BF>>>> Wouldn't it be better for you to grow up to communicate with
 BF>>>> me?

 JS>>>      Do you consider yourself equal to or better than others?

 BF>> I guess that I'm not better than you but far better than Shannon.

 JS>>> I ask
 JS>>> because you seem to think that others should change their ways
 JS>>> in order to communicate with you. Making no judgements on your
 JS>>> ways or theirs.

 BF>> Of course you do since you only ask me to change my behaviour.

 JS>> You seem to have a genuine dislike for Americans while Roy and
 JS>> Frank seem more interested in pushing your buttons for the
 JS>> entertainment value if nothing else.

 FS> In his case, Jeff, you're speaking into a deaf ear ... heh heh
 FS> heh ... he has only a very *hazy* idea as to what's going on ...


     Alas, you may be right. Although I would feel bad if I didn't
at least try.


 JS>> Which results in you hating
 JS>> Americans even more. I figure it is easier to get you to see that
 JS>> fact than it would be to yell at everyone that you don't like.

 JS>> Do I think that Roy and Frank contribute to the problem? Sure.

 FS> *What* "problem"??


     The continual arguing and feeling of discontent in this echo. There
are a number of people that seem determined to keep the fire of discontent
always stoked. And I am not singling you out here Frank. I have even done my
part too. To be honest Frank, I think that you often times say things
in a particular way to maximize the negative way that it will be taken.
We haven't chatted much but I feel that you might not always actually mean
things as negatively as they sound. Please correct me if I am in error here.
I also think that you and Roy too have what I would call a low BS threshhold.
Meaning that it doesn't take much BS for you to respond. It's more of a
observation than a judement.


 JS>> do I and you. Would it help if Roy and Frank stopped their
 JS>> behavior?

 FS> Huh?  *What* "behavior"?  Our habit of telling the truth about
 FS> Europe??

     The behavior of saying things in the way that will maximize the
negative way that it will be taken. There are usually several ways
of saying just about anything. I can convey that I think someone is
an ashpole without just shouting it out. But then again there are
those that seem rather dense at times. The ones that ya need to tap
on their foreheads with a special ballpeen hammer. <g>

 JS>> Perhaps, but I doubt that it would happen based on anything I
 JS>> might say. Again I make the effort where I think it it will be
 JS>> most effective. You probably see that as only picking on you.

 FS> You've certainly got *that* right ... [sigh] ...

 JS>>> Wouldn't it be better to accept those ways in others that you
 JS>>> realize are not going to change instead of constantly
 JS>>> complaining about them?

 BF>> So either I accept Shannons behaviour or stop responding to him?

 JS>> No, but be smart enough to see those things in others that all
 JS>> the complaining in the world isn't going to change. Complaining
 JS>> about things that you can not change just makes you look foolish.
 JS>> As well as making you look like you just want the battle to
 JS>> continue.

 FS> No.  It's not *that* which makes him look foolish.  It's his
 FS> *attitude* which makes him *be* foolish ... you won't get
 FS> *anywhere* with him -- he's just too thick-headed ... [sigh] ...


     That's the thing that gets me sometimes. Talking and trying to reason
with someone that has tunnelvision and only sees things as they choose
regardless of the reality of the situation or what is actually being
said to them.

 FS> ... "Well an argument isn't just contradiction." ÄÄ Monty Python

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