Text 3663, 131 rader
Skriven 2004-12-19 21:13:12 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
   Kommentar till text 3656 av SHANNON TALLEY (1:275/311)
Ärende: Z1B <> EP1
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Hello SHANNON!

19 Dec 04 20:47, you wrote to BOB SEABORN:

hahahahahaha...

Ah the memories.

This is the problem I encountered when I was in the NAB.

It was the "who are we" syndrome.

The Who are we would require a moderator to list an echo, prove it and request
it, but the same "who are we" would balk at dropping more than obvious dead and
rudderless echoes.. "Who are we to make this determination was what I was
told.. Only once was I able to twist his arm to drop a handful of dead echoes a
couple years back.

I do not comment on this by saying the Z1B's methods were much better, they
werent.

However you are merely encountering the laziness and apthy I spoke of in other
messages.


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 ST> <BOB SEABORN> wrote in message news:1103497243.334.0@fidotel.com...

 >>      Because you, and others, seem to want exactly that.  Who's
 >> responsibility is it to decide to transport an echo or not to?  It
 >> costs absolutely zero to transport an empty echo, so why the fuss?
 >> Is it the mail mover's responsibility to decide that an echo is
 >> inactive (NOT), or is it the moderator's?

 ST> Because it's a pain in the ass to setup a bunch of echos that will
 ST> generate "zero" traffic.  That's why...

 ST> Bob -- you took the responsibility of hosting that list, why don't you
 ST>  contact the Moderators who have abandoned the echos and ask them if
 ST> they want to continue to carry the echo or drop it?  That fits your
 ST> set of rules doesn't it?

 ST> I'm amazed that you have the audacity to suggest someone else should
 ST> clean up your mess.  "Echopolice"... ?!?!  Give me a break Bob.
 ST> You've got a screwed up, out of date, mostly abandoned list, and
 ST> because I point this out --- you raise your finger and call me the
 ST> "Echopolice"??????  Are you on Dope??

 ST> Do you sit around the house in your undies, unshaven, smelly, surfing
 ST> porn, smoking dope, and point your finger at people who mow their lawn
 ST> as the "grasspolice"??

 ST> Bob, you've got a lot of deadwood in that list....  It's obvious you
 ST> are too busy on smellmyfinger.com to clean it up, so I guess we'll
 ST> just have to mow around you...

 >>      And I've been in Fidonet since the early '80's.

 ST> Good for you...

 >> > I haven't heard from him in at least that long, which explains
 >> > why.  For
 >>      Nor have you attempted to contact him, he's been gone from the
 >> nodelist
 >> for as long.  His last entry was the last nodelist of 1999 I
 >> believe.

 ST> So... Who cares if I've attempted to contact George Peace or not??  I
 ST> know I haven't spoken with him in at least 9 or 10 years anyway....

 >>      Which is still done today via 1:10/3, a very able top-level
 >> hub!

 ST> Naw.. It's broken S. of Mexico.  The gate to Panama and south of
 ST> Panama broke a few years ago.  I haven't peeked in there in  several
 ST> months, but I doubt it's fixed yet.

 >>      It lists every echo that moderators have requested the NAB to
 >> carry. As stated above, it's up to the moderators to decide when/if
 >> their echo is no longer viable or not, not any distribution system
 >> hub - after all you've agreed that NO mail-mover needs to play
 >> 'echo-police'.

 ST> There you go again....  Are maids known as the "dustpolice" in your
 ST> world too?  Are they evil?

 >>      It's _your_ choice to carry them or not.  Just as it's your
 >> choice to contact the moderator and suggest they be removed (or
 >> not).  If there's no

 ST> There ya go again... It's your list Bob... If you don't want to clean
 ST> it up, then pass it on...

 >> worked. But the NAB is _not_ echo-police.

 ST> It's winter time, watch out for the Snowpolice....

 ST> I'm being very condescending for a reason... I'm very simply pointing
 ST> out how ridiculous your argument is.  You won't clean it up because
 ST> you don't believe in echopolice.  Very well.  contact the moderators
 ST> who own echos that have generated no traffic in a year.. Is that a
 ST> reasonable time?  I would think so... Ask them if they want to
 ST> continue the listing, and follow their wishes.  If they are not
 ST> reachable, then simply remove the echo OR --  as you said, take over
 ST> moderatorship of that echo and then remove it.  It's your list Bob,
 ST> take some ownership and pride in your work and fix the list...

 ST> Cheers!
 ST> Shannon

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