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Skriven 2006-08-20 20:47:12 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
  Kommentar till text 37059 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
Ärende: Frank - take a break (was
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Hello FRANK.

20 Aug 06 21:45, you wrote to me:

 FS> -=> Quoting Jeff Smith to Björn Forsström <=-

 RC>>>>> Bush tells people how it is and the way its going to be.

 BF>>>> Of course I could argue with you about this but that would only
 BF>>>> make me look like the anti-American Shannon have made you all
 BF>>>> believe I am so I leave it.

 JS>>>      As far as he goes he does have a point. As a president Bush
 JS>>> is alot more decisive and willing to do what he thinks needs to
 JS>>> be done. Clinton on the other hand would say one thing but
 JS>>> faulter when it came time for actions instead of words. That is
 JS>>> not to say that I agree with a large part of the way Bush has
 JS>>> handled things though.

 BF>> Of course everyone have both good and bad sides but all we see
 BF>> and hear over here is how he exceeds his authorities like
 BF>> scanning all mail and email for Americans who communicates
 BF>> overseas although a judge have said that it's against the
 BF>> constitution. Still he wants to do it and will appeal against it
 BF>> because America is at war and the only war that's going on is in
 BF>> Iraq and that isn't even declared as a war.

 JS>> I think the gathering of intelligence is an important part of the
 JS>> war on terrorism. The problem is where to draw the line between
 JS>> fighting terrorism and invading people's privacy? I would not
 JS>> have a problem with scanning emails and cell calls for very
 JS>> specific keywords. But again the problem arises that you are
 JS>> trusting the intelligence community to stop at that point and to
 JS>> go no further. What the USA needs to do IMHO is to rebuild our
 JS>> human intelligence capabilities around the world. And rely less
 JS>> on technological intelligence.

 FS> This is a dangerous world in which we now live.  I think everyone
 FS> would agree with that.  GWB is probably doing what he considers
 FS> necessary to protect the nation.  The courts should make sure any
 FS> laws involved are constitutional.  Meanwhile we might as well
 FS> trust the president.


     There are a number of things that I disagree with Bush about. But I
did vote for him as he was a better choice in my opinion than the
alternative would have been. I agree that the world today is alot more
complicated these days. Never had to worry about carrying liquids on a
plane before. <g> It's sad to see laws ignored or overlooked in the fight
on terrorism. If a law is enabled it should be applied to all evenly.


 JS>> There are many types of wars Björn. You say tomato I say tomahto.

 BF>>  If that isn't wanting to be a dictator I don't know what is and
 BF>> I don't understand how you all can accept it. And the judge that
 BF>> went against him is appointed by him so obviously he doesn't care
 BF>> what anyone eslse have to say.

 FS> Bjorn has a rather lengthy history here of being anti-American.
 FS> Hence his comments WRT America should be taken with the
 FS> traditional grain of salt ..


      Now where might you have gotten that idea? <g>


 JS>> I think "Dictator" is your choice of terms Björn. I think that
 JS>> Bush's goal is to eliminate terrorism. The question is to what
 JS>> extent is he willing to go? I agree that the war on terrorism
 JS>> needs to be fought and won. I differ with Bush in that I think
 JS>> that the biggest tools in the war on terrorism are communication
 JS>> and understanding of people. Where would Al Qaeda or Hezbollah be
 JS>> if they didn't have the blind support of people? The oher factor
 JS>> is the support that the terrorist groups are getting from other
 JS>> countries. Countries that are wanting to use the terrorist groups
 JS>> to further their own political and/or monitary goals.

 BF>> If Bush gets his will through, will that be the end for Fido for
 BF>> you since here we're rather anti-Bush? Or will you that doesn't
 BF>> agree with him 100% end up on a black-list? And what about the
 BF>> right to free speech? Has he really been thinking this through
 BF>> and have you?

 FS> We have free speech in America.  Much more even than in many
 FS> places in Europe, e.g., in England.


      Yes we do. And sadly many use that very freedom to attack with.


 JS>> You are free to like or dislike who or what you choose. All that
 JS>> I ask is that people be fair in the expression of their views or
 JS>> opinions. To look at the whole picture instead of only part of
 JS>> it. And no, I am not suggesting that you are not here.

 FS> I have long asked people here to read what I've said about the
 FS> nuking of Hiroshima in 1945.  Few will read it objectively.

     I was also glad to read your post on "Celebration" too. So much was
said about what others supposedly really meant. I was glad to hear the
words from the horses mouth. I have nevered cared to form opinions or
judgements on heresay. That is why I didn't respond to you until I actually
read your initial post.


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