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Skriven 2006-08-26 15:47:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av LEE LOFASO
Ärende: CELEBRATION!
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-=> Quoting Lee Lofaso to Roy Witt <=-

 LL> I much prefer the philosophy of Teddy Roosevelt, who once said "Speak
 LL> softly, but carry a big stick."  Rather than using the Big Stick to
 LL> bully others into submission, Roosevelt chose to keep the Big Stick
 LL> handy in case of need, as a means of protection for America and
 LL> others. 

Actually Teddy Roosevelt was a war monger -- he *loved* war.  He 
wanted the Spanish-American War ... and he got it, using that for 
some great public relations.  He wanted World War One ... which 
he also got though I'm no-longer certain what his pro-war 
arguments were ...

 >LL>No country has the right to invade another country and to claim that
 >LL>territory as its own.
 
 RW>That depends on your point of view, that is, if you're not a victim. It
 RW>was quite ok for Japan to do that, as it was also ok for Germany. But the
 RW>rest of the world thought differently.

 LL> Nazi Germany thought it was fighting a defensive war.

After Hitler declared war on the US it *was*!

 LL> The Empire of Japan thought it was fighting a defensive war.

After the Battle of Midway, June 1942, it *was*!

 LL> Fascist Italy thought it was fighting a defensive war.

After the US entered the war Italy *was*!

 LL> IOW, those nations thought of themselves as being the victim.
 
I doubt it ...

 >LL>No country has the right to bomb another country that is basically
 >LL>defenseless, either.
 
 RW>That also depends. If they refuse to eject terrorists and allow them to
 RW>even participate in that country's government, it's the only thing to do.

 LL> One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.  Prior to
 LL> Israel's bombardment of Lebanon, most Lebanese considered Hezbollah as
 LL> being a horrible terrorist group.  But today, the same Lebanese people
 LL> look at Hezbollah as being defenders of Lebanon, rather than a
 LL> terrorist group. 

Here's an easy way to settle the terrorist/freedom-fighter thing, 
Lee:  Just check on what the US thinks about a certain group -- 
then you'll know.
                 ... [snip] ...
 LL> The Japanese knew the war was lost, long before the atomic bombing of
 LL> Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 
Right, but we had to bomb them into submission!

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