Text 37738, 91 rader
Skriven 2006-08-28 13:14:24 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
  Kommentar till text 37725 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
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Hello Roy.

28 Aug 06 09:19, you wrote to me:

 RW> 28 Aug 06 01:45, Jeff Smith wrote to Roy Witt:

 DS>>>>>   I might question your statement about not needing a
 DS>>>>> moderator since 99% of the posts in this echo are in violation
 DS>>>>> of the rules of this echo, including this one.
 CS>>>>> Grin, well, the echo has no topic really anymore.  Some of
 DS>>>>   If you believe the rules that are posted, the only thing on
 DS>>>> topic for this echo is the discussion of topics in Fidonews.
 RW>>> That would depend on who you believe is the moderator. If you
 RW>>> believe Felten is the self proclaimed moderator, why doesn't he
 RW>>> enforce what he posts? Matter of fact, why doesn't he comply
 RW>>> with his own rules? If you believe Shannon is the moderator (as
 RW>>> the elist reflects), why doesn't he post rules?

 JS>>      Me thinks that this echo needs a moderator that sets a
 JS>> reasonable set of rules and then applies them fairly but firmly
 JS>> to *all* participants here.

 RW> The problem we've seen with moderators having any affect on this echo
 RW> is that neither is recognized by the opposite zones. Felten is
 RW> supported by his Z2 cronies, even though he's ineffective, while
 RW> anybody who stands up as moderator from Z1 is recognized by those who
 RW> don't like Felten or his cronies. Until someone can figure out that
 RW> problem, there will be no moderator here.


     I don't dispute that. But that being the case doesn't mean that we
should not try to come to a solution that is agreed (To best extent
possible) on by both sides. Getting an agreement would be the hard part
because God forbid anyone apearing to agree with an out of zone idea or
suggestion.

 JS>> A moderator that is willing to speak up when needed but can also
 JS>> stand back when appropiate. It would seem reasonable for the
 JS>> moderator to be the Fidonews editor.

 RW> That's a precident set by former Editors. Not necessarily one that
 RW> should continue, as long as Felten insists on holding onto the
 RW> Editorship.


     I would not have a problem with it either way. It just seemed like
a logical idea to me.

 JS>> But I have seen no evidence of him actually acting in such a
 JS>> capacity.

 RW> And you won't. The rules that he posts are continously violated by the
 RW> poster, so now we see his behavior as the example to follow.


     And until that changes this echo will be a free-for-all warzone
echo.


    Ok.... let me ask you this. What three people do you think could do
a decent and fair job as moderator of this echo? Regardless of what zone
the individal may be from.

 JS>> The fact that there is doubt as to who the moderator really
 JS>> is would seem to say that someone needs to stand up and act as
 JS>> one.

 RW> And what do you propose they do when someone violates an echo rule?
 RW> There's no way to cut a feed anymore, as everyone knows there's a feed
 RW> to be had just for the asking. That precident was set in FN_SYSOP when
 RW> the moderator there cut the feed of one, Ward Dossche, and he pulled
 RW> his *C strings to get another feed in defiance of the moderator.


 JS>> Lord know this echo needs some moderating.

 RW> Quite a delemma, eh...


     Not an easy task that's for sure.

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