Text 39385, 116 rader
Skriven 2006-09-21 23:08:00 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 39374 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
Ärende: terrorism
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Hello Jeff.

21 Sep 06 11:37, you wrote to me:

 TM>>>> He moderates his way (the Z2 style), like it or not. It does
 TM>>>> not change the facts.

 JS>>>      And those facts are that the moderator chooses to moderate
 JS>>> by doing nothing.

 MV>> So you say....

 JS>       No... So I see.

You can not see what goes on in netmail.

 JS> The reality of the matter is obvious for those that haven't already
 JS> decided what they want to see.

And you seem to be one of the latter. You seem to have decided to want to see a
moderator who has choosen not to moderate.

 JS>>> Other than some automated posts there is no evidance that he is
 JS>>> the moderator at all. If the Z2 style as you choose to call it
 JS>>> is to do a job by avoiding doing anything. Then I would choose
 JS>>> to not like it.

 MV>> That is your choice. The logical consequence is that you leave
 MV>> the echo.

 JS>      To you maybe.

Actually no. It is not *my* solution. It is what you Z1 fellow Fidoians have
been telling me is what *I* should do when I do not agree with how a moderator
does his job.

*My* preference would be to moderate acording to EP1. But as the Z1 community
will not accept EP1, that is impossible.

 JS> The more logical solution is for the moderator to simply moderate.

"Simply moderate"... Maybe we should ask him to walk on water as well. Have you
never asked yourself if what you are asking for may be the impossible?

Have I not explained to you that if a participant refuses to cooperate with the
moderator, there is little that can be done?

How would *you* suggest the moderator deals with Frank Scheidt for example?

 JS> Problem solved. Your solution would eventually result in an echo where
 JS> everyone has left. Some solution.

No, only those that can not accept the way the moderator does his job.

 JS>>> With the job IMHO there is also the responsibility of actually
 JS>>> doing the job.

 MV>> He *is* doing the job. Just not in the way that *you* would like
 MV>> to see it. Live with it or leave the echo.

 JS>      Show me where he is doing anything.

I have already done that in another message.

 JS> The echo is a zoo.

That is your opinion to which you are entitled.

 JS> An opinion that I seem to recall you expressing too.

You recall wrong. I never said that. You must confuse me with someone else.

 JS> It seems hypocritical to defend the condition of the echo at one
 JS> moment and critisize that same condition at another moment.

Yes it would. It is not me doing that.

 JS> If he is doing his job. That job is to do nothing.

Your words, not mine.

 JS> There may be valid reasons why he can't or isn't able to do
 JS> the job. If so I can understand that.

Can you? I doubt that. Apparently you have yet failed to understand that
moderating an interzone echo the way *you* want is impossible.

 JS> What I have trouble understanding is the apparent lack of interest in
 JS> the future of Fidonews

How so? There has been an issue of FidoNews every week. What more can you ask
for?

 JS> and the echo. If Björn doesn't have the time or interest.

No amount of interest will make up for the fact that apparently the
*participants* have lost ineterest. If no-one writes for the snooze, no one
will have anything to read. It is as simple as that. Face it Jeff, FidoNet is a
museum piece and the snooze reflects that. The lack of content in the Snooze
simply reflects the demise of FidoNet as a whole.

 JS> Then say so and lets find someone that does. But to let the Fidonews
 JS> wither away and to let the echo turn into a flamefest when it could
 JS> have been avoided. That is NOT doing his job.

Your opinion to which you are entitled. You are free to leave and start your
own e-zine end associated echo.


Cheers,


Michiel

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