Text 39498, 118 rader
Skriven 2006-09-22 22:38:01 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 39443 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
Ärende: terrorism
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Hello Jeff.

22 Sep 06 02:28, you wrote to me:

 JS>>>>>      And those facts are that the moderator chooses to
 JS>>>>> moderate by doing nothing.

 MV>>>> So you say....

 JS>>>       No... So I see.

 MV>> You can not see what goes on in netmail.

 JS>      Never claimed too. Did ask though.

Then how can you claim to know he does not moderate?

 JS> From those that have responded Björn has sent out moderating netmails
 JS> to several people over a number of years.

And you - nor I - have any idea about the netnails going to people that chose
not to respond to your query,

 JS>  Not suprising that it hasn't been effective.

That depends on how you define effective. The netmails he send to *me* were
effective. I do not know about any others of course as I too do not have access
to those netmails either.

 JS>>> The reality of the matter is obvious for those that haven't
 JS>>> already decided what they want to see.

 MV>> And you seem to be one of the latter. You seem to have decided to
 MV>> want to see a moderator who has choosen not to moderate.

 JS>     I would much rather see a moderator who cares about the echo and
 JS> has a grasp on what is happening within the echo. Sadly that is not
 JS> what is before me to see. I simply see an echo full of chaos to put it
 JS> mildly. I don't see a moderator anywhere in sight. What do you see?

I see the same echo as you of course, I just interoret it different.

 JS>      Do you agree with the way that the moderator of this echo is
 JS> doing his job?

In general, yes. I could not do it better and I think no one else can either.
Given the circumstances.

 JS>>> The more logical solution is for the moderator to simply
 JS>>> moderate.

 MV>> "Simply moderate"... Maybe we should ask him to walk on water as
 MV>> well. Have you never asked yourself if what you are asking for
 MV>> may be the impossible?

 JS>      Have you considered that his way of moderating has only
 JS> compounded the problem that he gets from people in the Fidonews echo?

The problems are caused by a handfull of jackasses that refuse to submit to
moderation. It is as simple as that and there is nothing that the moderator can
do about that. Replacing the moderator will noit solve the problem, although it
may change the population of the jackasses.

 MV>> Have I not explained to you that if a participant refuses to
 MV>> cooperate with the moderator, there is little that can be done?

 JS>      So his only response is to cover his ears and to close his eyes?
 JS> Nothing can be done if one doesn't at least try.

Believe me, he tried.

 MV>> How would *you* suggest the moderator deals with Frank Scheidt
 MV>> for example?

 JS>      Talking to them would be a start. Hey Frank? Hey Roy? When did
 JS> Björn last communicate with you as a moderator?

You must be joking. How long have you been in FidoNet? Since yesterday?
"Talking" to Roy or Frank - or Dan - is as usefull as talking to the wind. Yes,
you can talk to the wind and kindly ask it to stop blowing....

 JS>      Doing little or nothing accomplishes little or nothing. Why do
 JS> you choose not to see that?

Do *anything* acomplishes nothing against those that refuse to be moderate
Those are the naked facts and no amount of talking will change that.

Why can you not see that?

 JS>  Communication is the key here Michiel.

It takes two to communicate. If other side tunes away from your signal, there
will be no comminication and there is nothing that you can do about it.

 JS> Without it you would just have what we see before us. An echo in
 JS> chaos.

If there is chaos, it is because there are some who want it to be in chaos.

 JS>>> Problem solved. Your solution would eventually result in an echo
 JS>>> where everyone has left. Some solution.

 MV>> No, only those that can not accept the way the moderator does his
 MV>> job.

 JS>      Gee... An echo for a couple people to chat. How nice but sad.

Sad indeed. But we have to face the simple fact that it is the best that can be
had under the present circumstances. You either learn to live with it or leave
the echo.

Cheers,


Michiel

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