Text 40594, 55 rader
Skriven 2006-10-04 01:48:48 av Janis Kracht (1:261/38)
  Kommentar till text 40582 av Matt Bedynek (1:106/1)
Ärende: DUD-file
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Hi Matt,

> 03 Oct 06 11:57, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

>> the thing is, ward... that wasn't done when she was wearing her Z1C
>> hat... it was done whilst wearing her "IFDC" hat... the IFDC is a
>> private organization that provides fidonet with a service of
>> distributing file echos... the IFDC has their own set of rules which
>> fidonet has no control over... this is the same thing as with the
>> various independant backbones carrying echomail...

> Hate to break it to you mark, but if ifdc rules conflict with any portion of
> fidonet policy then policy will always win.  Put simply, the ifdc has no
> bearing on this discussion.  Instead, the arguement should simply focus on
> whether policy was violated.  Just because those who happen to hold a *c

And I am suprised to see that you don't consider what Michiel and Bjorn did, in
limiting Fidonews distribution on Web-based bbs's like Shannon's as not
violating polcicy 4, section 4.5.  It's quite clear.  Sysops are encouraged in
that section to make fidonews available to the public.

> position also receive or participate in the filegate does not eliminate their
> responsibilities as coordinators.  I believe we should engage in this
>discussion with an open mind and not automatically take offense to what others
> have to say because these are important arguements and discussion.  How does
> one determine where fidonet policy ends and private organizations within
> fidonet begin?  Fidonews and nodediffs were distributed long before the
>filegate.  Just because the filegate carries them does not give it juristictio
> over fidonews.

I am not the first to edit or remove text from an issue of Fidonews, Matt. John
Souvestre also removed offensive text from Fidonews and resent the file into
the stream.  What I did however, was right given that copyright statement that
Michiel included, and that Bjorn hadn't discussed with  Michiel.  I'm hoping
they realize it's wrong to do this.  They now admit however that they think it
is funny somehow.

>> the two situations are very different... you attempted your moves
>> while wearing your IC hat on those occasions where warranted...

> It would be nice if the IC, whomever some say he is, was not also a ZC.  It
>would make questions like these much easier to address.  In fact, I believe we
> really do not need an IC anymore...

Interesting.. though I agree with you there, that is the exact basis on which
Ward discussed with the other ZCs at the time when he began campaining to have
Bob Satti removed as IC (Bob had just resigned as Z1C).

Sad stuff.

Take care,
Janis

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