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Skriven 2006-10-07 11:12:49 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
     Kommentar till en text av BOB KLAHN (1:123/140)
Ärende: The bad news is...
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06 Oct 06 23:14, BOB KLAHN wrote to ROY WITT:


 BK>>>  The moderator is the only one who tells you how an echo is run,
 BK>>>  or to take anything elsewhere. User or member.
 RW>>>> There is a policy that he should have sent along with your
 RW>>>> application. You'll note that there is nothing in that policy that
 RW>>>> states that a user has any say so in Fidonet.
 BK>>>  He didn't send an application, he sent an emailed offer.
 RW>> Shoulda took him up on the offer when you had the chance.
 BK>>>  Why do you feel the need to run things?
 RW>> Why do you ask, are you afraid of authority?
 BK>  If you had any authority that would be something to be afraid
 BK>  of.

I'm actually pretty easy going unless I run into an asshole. I don't have
a problem giving an asshole some of his own medicine. mvdv knows that all
too well.

 BK>>> Micromanager? Or just plain anal?
 RW>> Why are you an asshole?
 BK>  Sorry, you're looking in the mirror again.

Hey, it's your mirror and it has a burnt in image of you.

 BK>>>>> I dislike change. Kinda conservative that way, in the classical
 BK>>>>>  meaning of the term.
 RW>>>> I'm liberal in that way.
 BK>>>  Damned liberal!
 RW>> Fucked, isn't it.

No reply?

 RW>>>>   I like change, as it's always a challange.
 BK>>>  I have enough challenge just surviving every day. Any more I
 BK>>>  don't really need. I have the challenge of dealing with
 BK>>>  micromanagers and lowest bid contractors at work.
 RW>> Ahhh, so you're not happy in your work. I never had that
 RW>> problem. When I didn't like my work environment, I moved
 RW>> on. I never lacked for a job, if I wanted to work.
 BK>  How old are you?

Older than you.

 BK> When you are over 50, and in a high paying level, finding another job
 BK> is just a bit of something I don't want to try.

I never had that problem. I closed up my business in 1998 and went to work
for others, demanding and getting the pay I wanted for my service.

I recommend doing the same if you'll be at the height of your income
level. Especially if you're in your last 5 or 6 years before retirement,
as your SS payments are based on how much you've paid into your account.
As a businessman, I almost always paid in the least amount, as my income
taxes were based on gross income minus costs and losses. I had a very good
CPA and went tax free for at least 3 years running.

BTW, when I was between jobs, it was my choice not my former employers.

 BK>>> That and head office types who just don't want to hear their work
 BK>>> is anything less than perfect.
 RW>> Of course they don't. No more than you want to hear that
 RW>> yours is less than what they expect of you.
 BK>  Oh, I don't mind that very much, since I don't like to do work
 BK>  that low in quality.

Then you shouldn't have a problem with your supervisors/foremen. Unless of
course, their idea of quality is higher than what you produce.

 BK>>>  Sorry, change seems to be much overrated.
 RW>> Some people like the rut they're in ... I never stayed at
 RW>> one place longer than 6 years in my entire career. If I
 BK>  I didn't until I found a job that paid so well, and I had the
 BK>  opportunity to utilize my abilities to such an extent, that I
 BK>  found it hard to match it.

Did you know that a job that pays well, is the first job that is
eliminated when a company needs to downsize? That is, unless you're in a
managment position and you're buddies with your superiors. :o) Politics.

 RW>> wasn't learning anything new, if I wasn't getting the work
 RW>> I wanted or I got bored with the job, I moved on. That is,
 RW>> until I became my own boss. My first year was a struggle
 RW>> because I was now maintaining a business, a household and a
 RW>> sick wife.
 BK>  Nice thing about industrial automation, we were always learning
 BK>  new things. And we got around so much it was hard to get really
 BK>  bored.

For five years after I closed my business, I worked for an engineering
firm that designed and manufactured production assembly automation
equipment. It was a fun job and paid very well. Unfortunately, the owner
won a bid to re-build a system for Hewlett-Packard, but lost the contract
because of his not-so-above-board billing practices. He nearly went
belly-up and the 'overhead' was out the door until he recovered. By then I
had an even more lucrative opportunity come my way and never went back,
although I was asked to.

 RW>> The challange was to persevere in spite of the load, and I
 RW>> did.
 BK>  However, I have found that idiot managers are a constant in this
 BK>  world, so the challenge was to survive them.

An even bigger challenge is to 'replace' them.

               R\%/itt


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