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Skriven 2006-10-08 00:16:00 av BOB KLAHN (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av ROY WITT
Ärende: The bad news is...
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 RW>>> Shoulda took him up on the offer when you had the chance.
 BK>>>>  Why do you feel the need to run things?
 RW>>> Why do you ask, are you afraid of authority?
 BK>>  If you had any authority that would be something to be afraid
 BK>>  of.

 RW> I'm actually pretty easy going unless I run into an
 RW> asshole. I don't have a problem giving an asshole some of
 RW> his own medicine. mvdv knows that all too well.

 Don't confuse being difficult with being an asshole. It's not
 the same thing.

 BK>>>> Micromanager? Or just plain anal?

 RW>>> Why are you an asshole?

 BK>>  Sorry, you're looking in the mirror again.

 RW> Hey, it's your mirror and it has a burnt in image of you.

 Hell of a mirror.

 Or hell of a reflection. I'll think about it.

 BK>>>>>> I dislike change. Kinda conservative that way, in the classical
 BK>>>>>>  meaning of the term.
 RW>>>>> I'm liberal in that way.
 BK>>>>  Damned liberal!
 RW>>> Fucked, isn't it.

 RW> No reply?

 Didn't seem to need one.

 RW>>>>>   I like change, as it's always a challange.
 BK>>>>  I have enough challenge just surviving every day. Any more I
 BK>>>>  don't really need. I have the challenge of dealing with
 BK>>>>  micromanagers and lowest bid contractors at work.
 RW>>> Ahhh, so you're not happy in your work. I never had that
 RW>>> problem. When I didn't like my work environment, I moved
 RW>>> on. I never lacked for a job, if I wanted to work.
 BK>>  How old are you?

 RW> Older than you.

 BK>> When you are over 50, and in a high paying level, finding another job
 BK>> is just a bit of something I don't want to try.

 RW> I never had that problem. I closed up my business in 1998
 RW> and went to work for others, demanding and getting the pay
 RW> I wanted for my service.

 RW> I recommend doing the same if you'll be at the height of
 RW> your income level. Especially if you're in your last 5 or 6
 RW> years before retirement, as your SS payments are based on
 RW> how much you've paid into your account. As a businessman, I
 RW> almost always paid in the least amount, as my income taxes
 RW> were based on gross income minus costs and losses. I had a
 RW> very good CPA and went tax free for at least 3 years
 RW> running.

 Social security has a limit on what it pays. I am at the limit.
 Or will be when I retire. Or close.

 However, quitting your job and starting your own business is
 about the best way I can think of to go bankrupt, other than
 drugs or gambling.

 RW> BTW, when I was between jobs, it was my choice not my
 RW> former employers.

 I haven't been between jobs for over 30 years. When I was
 offered this job I was also offered two others. Took one of the
 others first. Then this one.

 BK>>>> That and head office types who just don't want to hear their work
 BK>>>> is anything less than perfect.
 RW>>> Of course they don't. No more than you want to hear that
 RW>>> yours is less than what they expect of you.
 BK>>  Oh, I don't mind that very much, since I don't like to do work
 BK>>  that low in quality.

 RW> Then you shouldn't have a problem with your
 RW> supervisors/foremen. Unless of course, their idea of
 RW> quality is higher than what you produce.

 Their idea is quantity, and speed, rather than quality. Oh, and
 cheap.

 BK>>>>  Sorry, change seems to be much overrated.
 RW>>> Some people like the rut they're in ... I never stayed at
 RW>>> one place longer than 6 years in my entire career. If I
 BK>>  I didn't until I found a job that paid so well, and I had the
 BK>>  opportunity to utilize my abilities to such an extent, that I
 BK>>  found it hard to match it.

 RW> Did you know that a job that pays well, is the first job
 RW> that is eliminated when a company needs to downsize? That
 RW> is, unless you're in a managment position and you're
 RW> buddies with your superiors. :o) Politics.

 In this case, it's a matter of they literally can't run without
 us.

 RW>>> wasn't learning anything new, if I wasn't getting the work
 RW>>> I wanted or I got bored with the job, I moved on. That is,
 RW>>> until I became my own boss. My first year was a struggle
 RW>>> because I was now maintaining a business, a household and a
 RW>>> sick wife.
 BK>>  Nice thing about industrial automation, we were always learning
 BK>>  new things. And we got around so much it was hard to get really
 BK>>  bored.

 RW> For five years after I closed my business, I worked for an
 RW> engineering firm that designed and manufactured production
 RW> assembly automation equipment. It was a fun job and paid
 RW> very well. Unfortunately, the owner won a bid to re-build a
 RW> system for Hewlett-Packard, but lost the contract because
 RW> of his not-so-above-board billing practices. He nearly went
 RW> belly-up and the 'overhead' was out the door until he
 RW> recovered. By then I had an even more lucrative opportunity
 RW> come my way and never went back, although I was asked to.

 RW>>> The challange was to persevere in spite of the load, and I
 RW>>> did.
 BK>>  However, I have found that idiot managers are a constant in this
 BK>>  world, so the challenge was to survive them.

 RW> An even bigger challenge is to 'replace' them.

 Not at my age. I expect to retire before they are replaced.


BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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