Text 41247, 75 rader
Skriven 2006-10-14 08:28:29 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
  Kommentar till text 41246 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
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 JS>>>  Communication and understanding are two of the most important
 JS>>> things that people can achieve.

 BF>> I totally agree with you but sor far you haven't answerd the question,
 BF>> why don't you try to communicate with the the other part (Shannon) as
 BF>> well? Michiel isn't the only part in this and it's never once fault that
 BF>> two argue.

 JS>      I agree that it takes at least two to argue. And niether side is
 JS> nessesaraly completely wrong or right.

And you still haven't answered my question (don't think I ever will get one
either) and as long as you are only questioning one side I don't see you as
impartial.

 BF>> Until you do you will only increase the Z1 vs. Z2
 BF>> thing  because now it's Z1 vs. Michiel and that isn't fair


 JS>      But you have to take into account Michiel's many statements right
 JS> here in this echo about his dislike of Z1 ways, Americans, Etc. When
 JS> enough people from Z1 keep seeing that opinion expressed by Michiel they
 JS> are bound to feel some degree of animosity.

So far I haven't seen much of his dislike of America or Americans, only about
doing it the Z1 way.
And you haven't seen the many statements from the rest of the world what
they think about doing it the Z1 way?

 JS> I have asked Michiel several
 JS> times why he feels the need to look at the group as being bad when only a
 JS> handfull of that group are in a conflict with Michiel.

So long as this group gets away with eveything they do without being qustioned
by anyone in Z1 (including you) they clearly speaks for everyone in Z1.

And I have asked you several times why you only take this up with Michiel.
Don't demand somthing from others that you can't live up to yourself.

 JS>      There are some that enjoy the verbal dueling and use most any
 JS> opportunity to play the button pushing game.

I've said it before, go after then as well and tell them what you think about
their
behaviour too.

 JS> But there are also many that
 JS> just want to participate and end up getting put in a group based more on
 JS> where they come from than on their behavior.

I can't argue with that.

 BF>> and then I
 BF>> can understand why he acts the way he does. What would you have done if
 BF>> you were in his shoes? Use some of the common sence you say you have and
 BF>> try to see things from both sides.


 JS>      I have tried a number of times to understand both sides. I have
 JS> questioned people on both sides to better understand the matter from both
 JS> points of view.

Where, when, with whom?

 JS> Michiel has pretty much refused to say what his reasons
 JS> were or answer some basic questions. His attitude was that if I didn't
 JS> already know then it was just too bad. That type of attitude only allows
 JS> for a limited understanding.

That's just how the rest of the world feels about Roy, Shannon and Frank as
well.
Same shit, different places.

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