Text 41331, 108 rader
Skriven 2006-10-15 21:46:01 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 41220 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
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Hello Jeff!

 MB>>>> 1) Will you honor the request of a moderator even if you find
 MB>>>> him undesirable?

 JS>>>       Yes I would.  Regardless of whether I like a moderator. As
 JS>>> long as they are impartial and fair in their moderating. I would
 JS>>> respect that.

 MV>> IOW, when *by your judgement* the moderator stops acting fair and
 MV>> impartial, you will not hounour his request. Therefore the honest
 MV>> answer would have been "no".

 JS>      In case you didn't understand. What I said was that I would honor
 JS> the moderator's request. If the moderator acted partially or unfairly
 JS> I would then drop the echo from my system.

So why don't you practise what you preach? It is pretty obvious you have no
respect for the moderator and find him undesirable.

 JS> Although I would continue to carry it as passthrough if nessesary.
 JS> It would not be right of me to let my opinion of the moderators
 JS> fairness prevent others from getting the echo.

So what if the moderator - who you find undesirable - were to ask you to cut a
fed to one of your downlinks?

 JS>>>      And that makes sense to you? To me, the matter of Bjorn and
 JS>>> his website is a seperate issue.

 MV>> Tell that to Shannon Talley who was the leader in the crusade
 MV>> against Björn over alleged copyright violation on Björn's
 MV>> website.

 JS>     If Shannon were to also treat it as a seperate issue. Then I woukd
 JS> not have a problem with it.

It is obvious you have no idea of the history. Shannon did NOT treat it as a
separate issue. He has been trying to get Björn to resign as FidoNews Editor
*because* of the alleged copyright violations on Björn's webiste. That wsa a
major item in his crusade against Björn.

 JS> Shannon is free to feel as he chooses just s you are. The problem
 JS> arises when someone takes actions that needlessly link the two issues.
 JS> Thus causing hard feelings that could have been avoided.

Right. And that is exactly what happened.

 JS> Why the need to link Fidonews to Björn's website?

Ask Shannon. he was the one who did just that.

 JS> Was it to help Björn in some way?

Obviously not. It was in an attempt to get rid of him.

 JS>>>  Why play a game with Fidonews that will only result in further
 JS>>> division in Fidonet?

 MV>> Indeed, why make an all out effort of having the FidoNews editor
 MV>> resign - thereby further dividing FidoNet - over some pictures on
 MV>> a website?

 JS>      You are totally oblivious to the effect of your own actions
 JS> aren't you? You act without either knowing or maybe even caring what
 JS> effect those actions will have.

Talk to Shannon. He started this.

 JS>      My suggestions had NOTHING to do with Björn's website.

You do not know the history. In your ignorance yoy are rubbing salt into the
wounds.

 MV>> well, you have to ask Shannon, he ws the lead man in the crusade.

 JS>>> Why play a game that you know will just create more bad feelings
 JS>>> amoung people?

Ask Shannon, he started this.

 JS>>>  If anything I think that Michiel's copyright game
 JS>>> hurt Bjorn and people's perception of him as a moderator.

 MV>> To much honour for me. Shannon had done al that two years ago
 MV>> when he started his copyright game.

 JS>>>      Like I have said the website issue is seperate.

No it is not. You do not know the history.

 JS>>> Bjorn could very well be a great moderator and still conduct his
 JS>>> website in ways that I may or may not approve of or think is
 JS>>> illegal.

Shannon and his gang believe otherwise.

 MV>> Apparently Shannon and others think differently.

 JS>      That is their choice.

It is the actions resulting form that choice that got us into this mess.


Cheers, Michiel

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