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Skriven 2006-10-17 15:36:01 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 41398 av JEFF SMITH (1:282/1031)
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Hello JEFF!

On Monday October 16 2006 19:13, you wrote to me:

 MVDV>> And who would be the judge if it was just "simply asking her
 MVDV>> why" or just another attempt to contunue the harassment unde
 MVDV>> the pretense of just asking a simple question?

 JS>        It would be up to the girl to be judge.

Than no more need to be said. No is no. End of story

 JS>   My point was that it would be only reasonable to answer the simple
 JS> question.

Asking a "reasonable" question that one can hardly refuse to answer is a
standard opening ploy of Jehova's Witnesses....

 MVDV>> No should be no Jeff. And if the girl does not want to explain
 MVDV>> then that is where it should end. No matter how reasonable the
 MVDV>> request may be in the eyes of the man. Non is no. Period.

 JS>        But how often is that actually the case?

More often than you think. What does it matter? No is no.

 JS>>>      Because your actions do not involve just you Michiel.

 MVDV>> It involves only does who choose te be involved or those that
 MVDV>> were already involved by my previous articles witout the notice
 MVDV>> attached.

 JS>       What about those that had to find different feeds for the
 JS> Fidonews?

They are now alerted that they were using an unreliable feed. A private
distribution system that has rules that conflict with FidoNet policy and that
can be abused at whim. I say that is good that people were made aware of that.

 JS>  What about those that wouldn't have been or didn't want to
 JS> be involved until you submitted your copyrighted article?

It was no my action that got them involved. It was Janis who "removed it from
distribution". Talk to her.

 JS> Your ignorant of your own actions Michiel. Cause and effect Michiel.

Cause and effect go back a LONG way down the chain. Too far down to exactly
spot what was the prime cause. Maybe it goes back as far as Z1 forcing P4 down
the throat of Z2 before I even joined Fidonet.

 JS> Your article was the cause.

No it was not. It was Janis who removed an issue of FidoNews from distribution.
Not me.

 JS>>> How many people have your copyright actions affected? How has
 JS>>> your actions affected or intensified people's opinions of Björn?
 JS>>> How has your actions affected the widening feeling of division
 JS>>> amoung the zones and in Fidonet as a whole?

 MVDV>> Oh, don't be so naive. The gap already was as wide as the North
 MVDV>> Atlantic Ocean. This zone war has been going on for over a
 MVDV>> decade.

 JS>       And you feel the need to make it wider? Why not try to be part
 JS> of the solution to the problem instead of continuing to be part of the
 JS> cause?

You may not realise it but *you* have made yourself part of the problem as
well. By jumping in without knowing the history you dug up a couple of old
bones. You didn't know, but you could have known that asking for the
resignation of Björn would trigger a new round in the zone war. You are now
part of it, like it or not.

 JS>>>  Is there a positive goal to the actions that you are taking?

 MVDV>> It did have the positive effect that people are starting to
 MVDV>> think about the effects of copyrights on the snooze instead of
 MVDV>> simply ignoring them...

 JS>        Yup.... Some positive effect there Michiel.

Why only see the negative side of it? Think positive.

I repeat: the best thing would be if everyone dropped this "replace Björn"
nonsense and accepted the situation as it is.


Cheers, Michiel

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