Text 43423, 105 rader
Skriven 2006-11-29 17:58:29 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
  Kommentar till text 43382 av Janis Kracht (1:261/38)
Ärende: Insults
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>>>> He states that if one hides behind their god to justify their means, then
>>>> "yes", he hates them.
>>> Don't you agree with that statement you just made?  Don't you agree that
>>> those
>>> who used God throughout the centuries to justify the wiping out of
>>> civilizations and people (as in the examples in my last message, such as
>>> the
>>> Holocaust, and the Inquisition) were wrong to do so?

>> He isn't talking about that Janis.  He never mentioned the actions of this
>> past century or other centuries -- not once in that message.

 JK> You are being deliberately obtuse.  It's obvious you are stuck on not
 JK> seeing things for what they are.  I know he didn't mention those events in
 JK> history, he didn't NEED to.  It's obvious to anyone who knows the facts of
 JK> those events that Bjorn would label them the same way.. "people hiding
 JK> behind their god", and that he hates those who would do such things. _
 JK> Any_ human being would (should) feel the same way.

That's exactly what I mean and I feel sorry for Shannon that he can't see it
that way.

>> He is accusing "ME" of hiding behind god, and I have never hidden behind god
>> (you and he still haven't given me an example).

 JK> Making such a big point in calling yourself a Christian while you write
 JK> things such as your wrote on your page regarding this discussion, (that
 JK> famous 2nd pararaph), is "hiding behind your god".  It's hiding behind
 JK> your god because you insist that no one should question your motives,
 JK> after all "You are a Christion!" <geez>

mmmm.... as usual, I couldn't have said it better myself.

 JK> You want no one to question your "interpretation" of this discussion. Now
 JK> do you get it?

I don't think he ever will.

>>  He is an atheist who hates
>> Christians and Jews.  He's stated this in public -- it's that simple.

 JK> I think you are making this much bigger than Bjorn ever did.

I did a statement that Shannon blew up to a propotion that now comes back
to him and by publishing it on an anonymous website he now have to reap
what he have sown.

>> The
>> fact is, we live in such a politically correct society today that it's
>> unpopular to be a Jew or a Christian.  Nobody seems to be condemning the
>> atheists, only those who believe in god.  So, if one believes  in god and
>> makes it known they are a Jew or a Christian (as I have) then he labels them
>> a fanatic who hides behind their god to justify their actions.

 JK> I haven't seen him do that at all. He doesn't label Christians as
 JK> fanatics, he does though call you one since you refuse to admit your
 JK> mistake and have blasted him publically on your page.

Exactly and since even Roy have apologized to Bob, why can't Shannon? And
Ross?
I don't demand an apology from Shannon but it would be considered as a nice
gesture from a true Christian to do so. The only thing a demand is that he
remove the lies about me on his page. To lie about someone like that isn't
to be a good Christian.

>> Ask him to show what actions I've done to deserve the label of one who hides
>> behind their god and deserve the hatred that he befalls on all the Jews and
>> Christians who hide behind their god.

 JK> That page SURE sticks out pretty badly.

And that's why I demant from him to remove his lies and that's a very humble
demand.

>> Think Back over this past year or two Janis...  You remember the messages
>> the other Bjorn wrote about those who serve our country?

 JK> Is that what this is about?  Bjorn Felten may have said negative things
 JK> about those who are in our nation's service (and more), but that is not
 JK> _this_ Bjorn, and it has nothing to do with Bjorn's statement that you
 JK> misrepresented on your home page.

So now it all boils down to revenge, and that's not what a good Christian
should
spend his time with.
The more he opens his mouth the worse it gets......

>>  The fact is, he
>> calls them fanatics as well.  Anyone who doesn't fit their paradigm are
>> fanatics Janis.....   They live in a different society than we do where
>> being religious isn't popular or necessarily accepted as well as being
>> silent or being an atheist.

 JK> Again, this has nothing to do with what you posted on your page.

True.

 JK> You are happy to lump Bjorn in with all the negativity you feel in this
 JK> echo, and that's sad.

And this last sentence was all he could answer to. Sad, really sad.

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