Text 43666, 99 rader
Skriven 2006-12-04 13:11:41 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
  Kommentar till text 43629 av LEE LOFASO (1:123/140)
Ärende: Insults
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03 Dec 06 18:35, LEE LOFASO wrote to ROY WITT:

 LL> Hello Roy,

 >>LL> Shaquille O'Neal was born in Germany, of American parents,
 >>LL> both of whom are American citizens.  Shaquille cannot be
 >>LL> elected president or vice president, even though he was
 >>LL> born an American citizen.

 >>BK> Yes, he can. The law does not say you have to be born in this
 >>BK> country, a native born citizen, it says you have to be a natural
 >>BK> born citizen.

 >>LL> Natural born citizen means being born on U.S. soil.
 >>LL> Germany is not U.S. soil.

 >>BK> No, natural born means a citizen by birth. Born on US soil is
 >>BK> native born.

 >>LL> Prior to 1776 everybody in what was to become the United States
 >>LL> (except Native Americans) were British subjects.  Hence the term
 >>LL> "natural born Citizen" in the U.S. Consitution.

 RW>> How about those residents of what was to become the state of Texas?
 RW>> Or the states of Florida and Lousiana?  Or Wisconsin and Illinois?

 LL> As the United States gained territory from foreign countries, such
 LL> as from England, Spain and France, citizenship was conferred on the
 LL> people who came with it.  Even if they didn't like it or want it.

They could have gone home. Nice thing about the US, you're free to come
and go as you please.

 LL> Michigan was acquired from the British in 1794.

Aquired, as in spoils of war per treaty.

 LL> The Louisiana Purchase was acquired from France in 1803.

And it was just that, bought and paid for.

 LL> Florida was acquired from the Spanish in 1819.

LOL! Check out the Sabine River area. More than Florida was aquired by the
Adams-Onis treaty of 1819.

 LL> Former Mexican territories, such as Texas, was acquired in 1848-1853.

Make that former Free State, Texas. True, it was once a Mexican 'state'
(not a territory), but Texas fought and won it's independence from Mexico
all by herself in 1836.

 LL> Puerto Rico was acquired from Spain in 1898.

Aquired as in, kicked their ass out!

 LL> The U.S. Virgin Islands was acquired from Denmark in 1916.

Purchased for $25m in 1917. The inhabitants of the islands weren't given
citizenship until 1927.

 LL> From 1918-1920, Filipinos were granted U.S. citizenship under
 LL> a treaty with Spain, without giving Filipinos any say in the
 LL> matter.

I wouldn't be so sure about that if I were you. The US had already aquired
the Philippines from the Spanish in 1898. They (Philippinos) were given
their independance in 1935, but there was a 10 year transition clause in
that treaty, which was disrupted by the Japanese in 1942. The Philippines
didn't actually become independant until 1946.

 LL> And let's not forget about the people in Alaska and Hawaii who
 LL> had been Russian or Hawaiian citizens before the U.S. annexed
 LL> those areas of the world.

Those Ruskies who didn't want to be US citizens went home. Those who
wanted to be US citizens, stayed. Of course, the Eskimos didn't give a
shit one way or the other, as long as they didn't have to pay taxes.

BTW, they're also elegible to run for the highest offices in the US.

 LL> According to the U.S. Constitution, which is THE SUPREME LAW OF THE
 LL> LAND, if an individual was not born on U.S. soil, that individual is
 LL> ineligible to serve as president or vice president.

Bullshit.

 LL> It really is that simple.

Sorry about your ignorance in the matter. It's really more complicated
than that. As you've been told over and over again.

               R\%/itt




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