Text 43851, 139 rader
Skriven 2006-12-09 11:07:00 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 43780 av Roy Witt (1:397/22)
Ärende: Insults
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Hello Roy!

On Wednesday December 06 2006 16:02, you wrote to me:

 RW> 06 Dec 06 20:45, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 RW>>>>>>> Among other things, it's another example of racism by the
 RW>>>>>>> uros. The so-called editor of the Snooze was the first to
 RW>>>>>>> use the N word here and/or FN_SYSOP.

 MvdV>> Note that you claim Björn was the first to suse the N word
 MvdV>> there....

 RW> Yes, in a way that was racist.

You did not stipulate that limiting condition when you first made the claim.

Other than that, the "racist way" part is your perception.

 MvdV>> Here you claim Ward preceded Björn in the use of the N word.

 RW> He used it in a different context, not one that was of a racist
 RW> manner.

That is just your subjective interpretation.

 RW>>> The webmaster has a list of users and their alias' in his
 RW>>> forums.

 MvdV>> So we only have the webmasters word. How can we independently
 MvdV>> verify it?

 RW> I already told you. Go online at FidoTel's Fidonews forum and ask the
 RW> 'dudemaster' what his real name is. He even has a picture of himself,
 RW> although he has a mask over his nose.

There is no way that I can independently verify the content of Shannon's forum.
For all I know all his users are a figment of his imagination.

 MvdV>> There are ways, but they require the cooperation of the user.
 MvdV>> If the user wanted to be cooperative regarding his identity, he
 MvdV>> would not hide behind a nickname in the first place.

 RW> It's very easy to verify who they are. The old Call Back feature of
 RW> BBS's will verify that the caller is calling from the phone number
 RW> listed in his profile. White Pages online will verify the name the
 RW> listing is registered to. The same is true of a IP address.

I know of the call back verification method. Useful to the sysop, but of no use
the *me* to verify the identity of a user on another sysop's board.

 MvdV>>>> Or perhaps she is your cleaning lady. How are we to know?

 RW>>> She just quit.

 MvdV>> Does not prove she did not write as Dudemaster last year.

 RW> Sure it does. She didn't work for me last year.

Then may be it was you last year's cleaning lady.

 RW>>> Seems that she had to go back to Mexico for a funeral and was
 RW>>> planning on staying.

 MvdV>> Note that you just admitted to have had a Mexican cleaning
 MvdV>> lafy.

 RW> Yes, Clemencia has a 'green card' which allows her to come here to
 RW> work. Not all Mexicans are illegal aliens, you know.

Did not say she was illegal.

 RW>>> Don't you know that everybody is a racist?

 MvdV>> No, I was not aware of it. I am not surprised to read that it
 MvdV>> aparently appears that way in your perception.

 RW> That isn't just my perception, it's a fact. Even you're a racist. It's
 RW> just a matter of time before it surfaces and you act on it in public.

And until then I am not a racist.

 RW>>> Y'all did claim that Jerry what's his name was a nigger.

 MvdV>> I do not know if anyone made that claim but if anyone did, it
 MvdV>> certainly wasn't me.

 RW> Ok, it was Felten then.

No, no one named felten claimed he is a nigger either.

 MvdV>> I had no idea who Dudemaster is or was and the colour of
 MvdV>> his/her skin.

 RW> He didn't post here as dudemaster, he used his real name. It's Jerry,
 RW> but I don't recall his last name. Perhaps Shannon can enlighten us.

 RW>>> Dudemaster and Jerry are one and the same.

 MvdV>> Is that so?

 RW> Yeup.

Prove it.

 RW>>> If you don't believe me, you can go to the Fidonews forum on
 RW>>> Fidotel and ask him yourself.

 MvdV>> I have no reason to either believe or disbelieve you. I also
 MvdV>> have no interest in digging into the matter. For all I know
 MvdV>> Jerry Mortland and Dudemaster are both an alias of Shannon
 MvdV>> Talley. There is know way that I can find out for sure, so I am
 MvdV>> not going to waste my time on it.

 RW> Well, you do have a point. But then, you can't really talk about it
 RW> without knowing the facts, can you.

I am not the one talking about it. *You* are the one claiming Dudemaster and
Jerry Mortland are one and the same. I have neither accepted nor rejected that
claim. I keep an open mind about it.

 MvdV>>>>  Dudemaster's analysis was rejected because he was just
 MvdV>>>> reciting *US* law, not international law. Whatever that is...

 RW>>> See? He knew what he was talking about, but you didn't. :o)

 MvdV>> Nice word play.

 RW> There are international treatys though. That is what he was talking
 RW> about, not internatinal law.

And obviously he had no clue about the scope of international agreements
either.


Cheers, Michiel

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