Text 44448, 68 rader
Skriven 2006-12-22 07:02:54 av Björn Forsström (2:203/614.61)
  Kommentar till text 44409 av Jeff Smith (1:14/0)
Ärende: Kindergarten
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 JS>     Because I would like to see this echo get back to being what it was
 JS> intended to be. An echo for the discussion of Fidonews and Fidonews
 JS> articles.

For how long have you been trying to do that? IIRC it's between 6 and 12
months, perhaps even longer and have anything improved during this time?
Have you achieved anything? How many contributions to the Snooze have
you written? (And don't blaim that you can't write, that's not an excuse.)
Will you ever figure out that this is the way everyone want to have it and now
when even the scrapings from other dying echoes come here to do their last
fight this will only make it even worse.

 JS> Bjorn's own rules for this echo specify "No vulgar language.
 JS> This includes, but is not limited to, flames and profanities" and to
 JS> "Discuss only articles printed in the Fidonews Publication. A certain
 JS> amount of straying from this is however expected and encouraged". If the
 JS> moderator here would try enforcing his own rules (Which I think are
 JS> reasonable and appropriate) I can't help but think the situation here be
 JS> alot better. The posting of rules that everyone knows will not be enforced
 JS> just makes those rules and the person posting them look like a joke. It is
 JS> no wonder people are acting the way that they do.

So long as you have to tell people over 50 how to behave and see the difference
between a discussion and a personal attack this echo will be a mess.

 TM>> Has it ever struck you, that most people are here because they enjoy a
 TM>> good fight, and having great fun while at it? Why spoil the fun. If you
 TM>> don't like it, and you have very strongly said so, what keeps you here?
 TM>> Leave us alone..... :-)

 JS>      Actually there may be some truth to that. The problem is that is not
 JS> what this echo is for. The only reason it currently IS that way is because
 JS> the
 JS> current moderator quietly condones such behavour for selected people while
 JS> complaining and blaming others for the chaos here. The reality IMO is that
 JS> he doesn't want to bother doing anything about it but also doesn't want to
 JS> be blamed either so he will shift the blame elsewhere.

Put your hand on your heart and answer this:
Do you think that Roy, Ross and Shannon would respect a moderators request?

 >>> I have no vendetta towards Bjorn.

 TM>> It sure is starting to look like one now!

 JS>     Then that is an error in your perception. While I can't speak for
 JS> anyone but myself I know I have no personal vendetta towards Bjorn. I have
 JS> said so here as well as to Bjorn privately.

I can't more than agree with TM.

 >>> He IMO would much rather do nothing HIS way. Regardless of the chaos that
 >>> results.

 TM>> We like chaos! :-)

 JS>      Then why not move the chaos to a place where it would be better
 JS> suited
 JS> and feel more at home? Or just rename this echo to FIDO-CHAOS and have a
 JS> new Fidonews echo created.

The easiest thing to do is to accept it the way it is and leave it at that
because
there isn't a thing you can do about it.

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