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Skriven 2006-12-22 23:40:00 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
     Kommentar till en text av Michiel Van Der Vlist
Ärende: Re: The moderator here??
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 -=> On 12-22-06  16:29,  Michiel Van Der Vlist <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about The moderator here?? <=-

 MVDV>> The contact information was there. (2:2/2)
 
 DS>   2:2/2 is the contact information for Björn,

 MVDV> Plus all the users on tha system. That is how it works in 
 MVDV> FidoNet. The users share the nodenumber with the sysop.

   The previous editors of fidonews were not users of Björn's system.

 MVDV> why is "phipps", which may or may not be a real name or an 
 MVDV> alias acceptable, while "Editors Emeriti", which may or may 
 MVDV> not be a real name or an alias is not accpetable.

   Who is to say that Phipps is not a real name?   It is obvious that
   Editors Emeriti is not a real name, but that is not the point.

 MVDV>> RC17                    CELBLK17
 
 DS>   CELLBLK17 is a regional echo, moderator position belongs to the
 DS> person holding the office of RC17.  Contact information is given.

 MVDV> And how does this differ from the FIDONEWS echo where the
 MVDV> (Co)moderator  position belongs to the person(s) holding the office of 
 MVDV> Editors Emerity and contactinfo is given?

  It differs because RC17 is a person who accepts the moderatorship of
  that echo.   The various Editors Emeriti did not, and presumably had
  no intention of acting as a moderator of Fidonews.

 MVDV> So how does it differ from Editors Emeriti?

  See above.

 MVDV> So how does it differ from ....

   See ...

 MVDV> How does it...

  See ...

 MVDV>> Goran Eriksson          NET_DEV
 
 DS>   ? Not sure why you even put this one down.   Looks like a person,
 DS> has contact info listed.

 MVDV> Oh, just that he is a bit dead. Goran Ericksson died around 
 MVDV> the end of May this year. According to yur own words dead 
 MVDV> people do not qualify....

  I did not know that, perhaps that is why the listing is about to be
  removed?

 MVDV> So how does "All Zone 1 REC's" differ feom "Editors Emeriti"?

  See ...

 MVDV> So how does it differ...

  See ...

 MVDV>> {empty}                 Z1_ROUTNG
 
 DS>   No such echo in the Elist, but Z1_ROUTING is listed with a person in
 DS>   the moderator slot, and contact information is given.

 MVDV> No, the moderator slot is blank.

   I know you do not like her, but
   Janis Kracht 1:261/38janis@filegate.net
   is not blank.

 MVDV>> So tell me, why is "All Zone 1 REC's" acceptable and "Editors
 MVDV>> Emeriti" is not?
 
 DS>    That is a question you would need to direct to the Elist keeper,

 MVDV> IOW, you have no asnswer.,

  I have answers, but cannot speak for the Elist keeper as to his
  reasons.

 DS> but my suspicion is that because each and every Zone 1 REC who exists
 DS> has clearly defined contact information in the nodelist -- but the
 DS> people who might have been considered as "Editors Emeriti" of Fidonews
 DS> do not have contact information anyplace,

 MVDV> Wrong. As you have been told, 2:2/2 is the contact info.

   I doubt that it is.   If I sent a message to Zorch at 2:2/2, how
   would it get to him?  Ditto for Henk and many other previous editors.
 
 DS>  and some no longer exist.

 MVDV> You do not seem to be aware what "Editors Emeriti" implies. 
 MVDV> It means former retired editors. That does not include the 
 MVDV> deceased.

  I am aware that Professor Emeritus is a title normally held by a
  retired Professor during his/her lifetime and/or being active in that
  role.   However, my recollection of the discussion that took place
  during the "Editors Emeriti" incident is that Björn included *all*
  former editors in that group collection.  He did that in order to
  honor them, and had no intent of having them perform moderator duties.
  If that is not the case, then I stand corrected.

 DS>    AND they did not consider themselves to be moderators of the echo,
 DS>    they had all passed that task on to someone else.

 MVDV> Irrelevant. There is no requirement for a comod to 
 MVDV> publically accept the position.

   The entry of a persons name in one of the Moderator slots implies
   that they are a moderator of that echo.   I don't see how that can
   happen if the person is not consulted on the position and/or has
   previously relinquished the position.

 MVDV> Irrelevant. The point is that double standards were 
 MVDV> applied. A rule was invented ad hoc at the whim of the e-

  It was a rule that was formulated with the stated intent of an entry
  in the moderator field in mind.  Not arbitary nor capricious.

 MVDV> list keeper. A rule tat is obviously only enforced in this
 MVDV> case.

  Not true, as you should have read in this echo by now.
 
 DS> That alternative is one that I use in the echo I help moderate, and
 DS> he could have easily done the same.

 MVDV> He could, but doing that would have been giving in to the 
 MVDV> whims of a dictator. Instead he choose to not go along and 
 MVDV> vote with the feet.

  He chose not to cooperate, and to vote with his feet, and thus the
  consequences that might arise from that action, if any,  are his
  responsibility.

                               Dale Shipp
                  fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
                              (1:261/1466)


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