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Skriven 2006-12-24 17:03:00 av bob klahn (1:275/311)
     Kommentar till en text av ROSS CASSELL
Ärende: Generic Christianity
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 RC>>> Bob I was born in late 1963, going by my earliest
 RC>>> recollection from the 60's, then proceeding forth into the
 RC>>> 1970's and 1980's, I cannot recall any organized
 RC>>> Anti-Christian movements when it comes to the holiday
 RC>>> season, be it about trees, nativity scenes or other
 RC>>> symbology. Come the 1990's and 00's, its all the rage to to
 RC>>> banish this symbology, why?

 bk>>  Because it is pushing Christianity on the non-Christian
 bk>>  population. And partly because the Christian community held such

 RC> A nativity scene visible to the public no more crams
 RC> Christianity down the throats of others than the view of
 RC> their same churches from the street with their spires and
 RC> crosses.

 As long as it's on private property it's also legal. So what's
 your problem with it?

 RC> Do Parisians have a uncontrollable desire to convert to
 RC> catholicism when they walk by the Notre Dame cathedral or
 RC> if in DC, the view of the National Cathedral?

 I doubt France has our 1st amendment. And since France is a
 predominently Catholic country, most don't need to convert.

 And last I heard, the Cathedral of Notre Dame is on church
 property, not govt property.

 The National Cathedral in Wash DC is misnamed, as it is also
 private. Had it truly been a National Cathedral, IE: a govt
 owned and operated Cathedral, it would be an outrageous
 violation.

 RC> If in Salt Lake City Utah, would the view of the tabernacle
 RC> complex compel you to become a Mormon?

 If it's on public property, or paid for with public funds, it
 would compel me to become an advocate for tearing it down or
 making the Mormon church pay for it.

 RC> This notion of fear you express is unfounded and irrational.

 No, it's quite well founded and rational. I was born in 1947.
 From my recollections of the early to mid '50s, in the public
 schools, we had protestant bible readings and protestant
 prayers. That *IS* cramming Protestantism down the throats of
 Catholic children.

 RC>>> I am sure you have heard that some localities have banished
 RC>>> nativity scenes but not Menorrahs.

 bk>>  No, have not heard that.

 RC> Its happened in Palm Beach Fl.

 Ok, I looked it up. Seems they allow Christmas symbols, just
 secular ones. And they allow Jewish and Islamic secular symbols
 also. The problem is, I doubt Jews consider a Menorah a secular
 symbol, and I doubt Muslims consider the Crescent and Star a
 secular symbol. So the problem is not the removal of Christian
 symbols, but the disrespect shown to Jewish and Islamic symbols
 in allowing them. Funny that, they show disrespect for Jewish
 and Islamic symbols by allowing them on government property.
 Takes a republican state to accomplish that feat.

 Part of their reasoning is, putting a Christmas tree next to a
 menorah 'de-sanctifies' it. Now ain't that a stretch.

 Again, can't these people find private property to put it on?

 RC>>> Do you agree with all that BS?

 bk>>  I agree it's BS, cause I don't see it happening.

 RC> Just because it isnt raining where you are doesnt mean it
 RC> isnt raining somewhere else..

 I know it rains all over the world, for what I don't know first
 hand, I know from reading and watching PBS and the nature
 channels. I believe there isn't even a desert where it *NEVER*
 rains. I did not know anything about allowing menorahs but not
 nativity scenes in Florida. If you want to claim something
 happens in Florida, then you have to show it to be believable.

 Ok, I should have known Florida would be wierd.

 When I found the reports I also found it was not near as bad as
 you paint it. And I am offended by the secularization of
 religous symbols, not by requiring they be on private property.


BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

... "Will you speak falsely for God, and speak deceitfully for him?"
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