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Skriven 2006-12-22 02:27:00 av Jeff Smith
     Kommentar till en text av BjÖrn ForsstrÖm
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Hello Björn.

22 Dec 06 07:02, you wrote to me:


 JS>>     Because I would like to see this echo get back to being what
 JS>> it was intended to be. An echo for the discussion of Fidonews and
 JS>> Fidonews articles.

 BF> For how long have you been trying to do that? IIRC it's between 6 and
 BF> 12 months, perhaps even longer and have anything improved during this
 BF> time? Have you achieved anything? How many contributions to the Snooze
 BF> have you written? (And don't blaim that you can't write, that's not an
 BF> excuse.) Will you ever figure out that this is the way everyone want
 BF> to have it and now when even the scrapings from other dying echoes
 BF> come here to do their last fight this will only make it even worse.

 JS>> Bjorn's own rules for this echo specify "No vulgar language.
 JS>> This includes, but is not limited to, flames and profanities" and
 JS>> to "Discuss only articles printed in the Fidonews Publication. A
 JS>> certain amount of straying from this is however expected and
 JS>> encouraged". If the moderator here would try enforcing his own
 JS>> rules (Which I think are reasonable and appropriate) I can't help
 JS>> but think the situation here be alot better. The posting of rules
 JS>> that everyone knows will not be enforced just makes those rules
 JS>> and the person posting them look like a joke. It is no wonder
 JS>> people are acting the way that they do.

 BF> So long as you have to tell people over 50 how to behave and see the
 BF> difference between a discussion and a personal attack this echo will
 BF> be a mess.


     So long as the current moderator condones this behavour in this echo
and play's favorites in his moderation this echo will also be a mess. The
moderator needs to make it clear that there is some actual meaning to his
rules for this echo. Otherwise noone will take him or his rules seriously.


 TM>>> Has it ever struck you, that most people are here because they
 TM>>> enjoy a good fight, and having great fun while at it? Why spoil
 TM>>> the fun. If you don't like it, and you have very strongly said
 TM>>> so, what keeps you here? Leave us alone..... :-)

 JS>>      Actually there may be some truth to that. The problem is
 JS>> that is not what this echo is for. The only reason it currently
 JS>> IS that way is because the current moderator quietly condones
 JS>> such behavour for selected people while complaining and blaming
 JS>> others for the chaos here. The reality IMO is that he doesn't
 JS>> want to bother doing anything about it but also doesn't want to
 JS>> be blamed either so he will shift the blame elsewhere.

 BF> Put your hand on your heart and answer this:


 BF> Do you think that Roy, Ross and Shannon would respect a moderators
 BF> request?

     Some of those same people have stated that they would abide by
requests from a moderator that they considered fair and impartial.
Something that tyey don't feel about the current moderator.


 >>>> I have no vendetta towards Bjorn.

 TM>>> It sure is starting to look like one now!

 JS>>     Then that is an error in your perception. While I can't speak
 JS>> for anyone but myself I know I have no personal vendetta towards
 JS>> Bjorn. I have said so here as well as to Bjorn privately.

 BF> I can't more than agree with TM.


     Now why doesn't that suprize me?

 >>>> He IMO would much rather do nothing HIS way. Regardless of the
 >>>> chaos that results.

 TM>>> We like chaos! :-)

 JS>>      Then why not move the chaos to a place where it would be
 JS>> better suited and feel more at home? Or just rename this echo to
 JS>> FIDO-CHAOS and have a new Fidonews echo created.

 BF> The easiest thing to do is to accept it the way it is and leave it at
 BF> that because there isn't a thing you can do about it.

     I don't think so!  The BETTER thing for me to do is to continue to work
to get the moderator to actually moderate or to help see that a new moderator
is found that will moderate fairly and impartially.

     Listen to yourselves. The moderator critisizes people for their behavour
here and at the same time the moderator condones that same behavour for his
supporters who say things like "We like chaos" or "We like fighting" or "Look
at the traffic that chaos brings". Sad state of affairs if that is all that
some can be proud of.


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Jeff

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