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Skriven 2007-01-04 00:51:00 av bob klahn
     Kommentar till en text av Roy Witt
Ärende: The Truth    part 2 of 2
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 RW>>> Wrong. Jesus was the rock. Rock is referred to as God in
 RW>>> all the rest of the bible. Only once was it mentioned
 RW>>> before Peter and Jesus no doubt pointed to himself when he
 RW>>> said that he'd build his church on the rock (pointing at
 RW>>> himself)...Simon was re-named Peter in that verse and
 RW>>> nothing more.

 bk>>  Oh, much more. You are so arrogant. Simon was not only called
 bk>>  the rock he was renamed "Rock". You should know the name "Peter"
 bk>>  means "rock". That is why Peter was given that name.

 RW> You're so full of shit, you can't even get that right.

 Look it up fool. Every heard of "petroglyths"? Symbolys,
 (glyths) carved into rock. (Petro)

 It's greek. Ask a Greek.

 RW>>>>> was persequted by the Romans. Besides, why would Jesus
 RW>>>>> found a church on a person who denied him three times in

 bk>>>>  Because he chose to.

 RW>>> He chose himself, not Simon.

 bk>>  No, he plainly chose Simon.

 RW> Wrong. It doesn't say, "I Jesus choose Peter to found my
 RW> church" ... what was said is all very vague and even if the

 And not one word to even suggest Jesus was pointing at himself.

 RW> original was translated correctly, it more than likely
 RW> wouldn't have said that Peter/Simon is a rock, when the
 RW> entire bible, before and after Matthew, refers to God as
 RW> the rock.

 Whatever you think makes sense, Petros is the original Greek,
 and means rock. Peter is the anglicized version of Petros, which
 means Rock in Greek. Pieter is the dutch version. Pierre is the
 French version.

 bk>> BTW, when you say Jesus pointed to himself, you are adding that which
 bk>> is not in the bible.

 RW> And when you say that Jesus called Simon/Peter a rock, that
 RW> is not in the bible either.

 It is right there in black and white.

 bk>> Remember what Revelations says about that.

 RW> Better read that line again. It is referring to the 'book'
 RW> of Revelations. i.e. the book of Revelations is written as
 RW> prophecy as seen through the eyes of John, the author.

 It says what it says. Show where it is referring to anything
 else. Take it anyway you want, you are making up additions that
 do not appear there.

 RW> Adding to or taking away from the book of Revelation would
 RW> be what it's talking about. But if you want to play games

 And you are adding to that also. No where does Revelations call
 the Catholic church the Whore of Babylon, nor say anything that
 can identify it that way.

 RW> with that phrase, the Catholic church has added to the
 RW> bible by adding chapters that aren't part of the original
 RW> scriptures.

 How would you know? Which chapters? The bible I am using is the
 King James, as it's the one I have on the hard drive.

 bk>>>> After all, Jesus predicted Peter would deny him.

 RW>>> Knowing that he was an unstable man and wouldn't make a
 RW>>> very good person to trust to establish a church.

 bk>>  No one is a very good person to trust to establish a church, in
 bk>>  and of himself.

 RW> Jesus was...

 But he didn't stick around much after that.

 bk>> He had to be changed by God.

 RW> Jesus was...

 Jesus was God. God was changed by God? Why?

 bk>> Just as Moses was not fit to lead the Israelites out of bondage,
 bk>> until he was made humble by God. God has a habit of chosing those you
 bk>> don't expect, and changing them to his needs.

 RW> Jesue was...

 God changed himself to meet his needs? Ok.

 bk>>  He was not speaking of himself when he said this, but Simon
 bk>>  Barjona.

 RW> Wrong...

 Not one word you said has a single bit of evidence to back it
 up.

 bk>>  016:016 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ,
 bk>>  the Son of the living God.

 bk>>  016:017 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou,
 bk>>  Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto
 bk>>  thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

 RW> Uh huh...speaking about the 'light' God had given
 RW> Simon/Peter.

 Yes, exactly.

 bk>>  016:018 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter,

 RW> Should be a period here, rather than a comma...

 Now you rewrite the bible?

 bk>> and upon this rock,

 RW> Me, myself and

 Petros...Peter.

 bk>>  I will build my church;

 bk>> and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 RW> But he predicted that wrong, as the gates of hell are
 RW> within the Catholic church.

 More like in your faith, which you fear to identify.

 bk>>  016:019 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of
 bk>>  heaven:

 RW> After he croaks.

 Meaningless non-sequitor.


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