Text 47851, 154 rader
Skriven 2007-01-27 00:39:00 av bob klahn
     Kommentar till en text av Roy Witt
Ärende: America
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 RW>>>>> No, he was just a respectable white person living in a
 RW>>>>> respectable community and had seen the devestation of the
 RW>>>>> riotous black communities in Watts, southeast LA and east
 RW>>>>> San Diego.

 bk>>>>  A: You said a "cajun".

 RW>>> Actually, I told him 'high yellar'...

 bk>>  That's not what you said before, and it still leaves him a
 bk>>  bigot.

 RW> Only in your eyes, which neither one of us would even have
 RW> taken into consideration.

 IOW neither of you would take the truth into consideration.

 bk>>>>  B: You are implying that people who can afford to live in your
 bk>>>>  neighborhood are only acceptable if they are white.

 RW>>> At the time, there wasn't. A census of that neighborhood
 RW>>> would shown that to be true.

 bk>>  There wasn't what?

 RW> What you said...

 No, you actually did not make any sense.

 bk>>>>  C: Your comment, and his reaction, imply all non-white people
 bk>>>>  can be judged as a group, they are all the same.

 RW>>> Or consideered the worst of the lot, depending on who was
 RW>>> being commented upon.

 bk>>  You never specified a particular person, or that he knew any
 bk>>  person who might be the subject.

 RW> Who didn't?

 You.

 bk>>>>  D: Your comment implies that white people are reliably law
 bk>>>>  abiding and decent.

 RW>>> And the stats back that up. More blacks are in jail because
 RW>>> of crimes against blacks than whites or browns put
 RW>>> together, although the browns are gaining.

 bk>>  About 25% of crimes of violence are committed by Blacks.

 RW> From the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

 RW> "Based on current rates of first incarceration, an
 RW> estimated 32% of black males will enter State or Federal
 RW> prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic
 RW> males and 5.9% of white males."

 Which is not responsive to any of the above. As I said above,
 about 25% of crimes of violence are committed by blacks.

 About 65% by whites. Yet the percentage of arrests of blacks is
 higher than the rate at which they commit crimes, and the
 percentage of those in prison who are black is higher than those
 who are white, even though most crimes are committed by whites.

 bk>>  About 35% of those arrested are black, and a bit over 50% of those
 bk>> in prison are black. Since the percentage in prison is twice that
 bk>>  of the percentage of crimes committed, that alone implies
 bk>>  racism.

 RW> LOL! That only indicates a propensity for blacks to commit
 RW> crime, as the above quote indicates. If racism enters into

 If 25% of crimes are committed by blacks and 65% by whites, the
 percentage in prison should track the percentage of crimes.
 Since is drastically higher, the reasonable conclusion is
 discrimination.

 RW> the picture, it's racism on the part of blacks and nobody
 RW> else's.

 How you draw that conclusion would be incomprehensible, unless
 seen as prejudice on your part. Then it becomes clear.

 RW> Better go check your stats...here's a good place to start;

 RW> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

 I checked those stats long before you thought to mention them.
 Which is why I know your conclusions are based on prejudice, as
 you refuse to even consider the stats that don't agree with you.

 bk>>  And if you check further the crime rate tracks the poverty rate
 bk>>  pretty well.

 RW> Nobody was talking about poverty, but for the record, IMO

 I just did, pay attention.

 RW> that's no excuse to be a criminal...if they got off the

 Excuses are for judges and clergy. Troubleshooters look at
 reasons.

 RW> street corner and looked, they could find something honest
 RW> to do to sustain themselves.

 If they could they would. It's actually much easier than crime,
 if you can find a reasonable job.

 bk>>  The first stat from the DOJ pub "Criminal victimization in the
 bk>>  united states." The others from the Statistical Abstract of the
 bk>>  US.

 RW> Browse the government's statistics on crime at the link I
 RW> provided above.

 Do you have any idea what the DOJ is? The Statistical Abstract?
 I have had them bookmarked for years.

 RW>>>>> But you go ahead and think of him as a bigot, I'm sure he
 RW>>>>> won't care.

 bk>>>>  He could be one of those bigots who are proud of the fact.

 RW>>> He would be a person who doesn't care what you think. As am
 RW>>> I.

 bk>>  Ah, both of you proud of your prejudice? I see.

 RW> Read it again for comprehension. Your opinion of us isn't
 RW> of any concern to either of us. However, you should be

 Yes, you are proud of your prejudice.

 RW> concerned about what we think the abnormality of you and
 RW> your situation.

 The concern of bigots is not of concern to me. Or was that a
 threat?

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